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::::::::::::One extra round... But, there are Christian old earth views, in wich God play an essential role, e.g. as prime mover, aren't there? [[User:Order|Order]] 09:07, 29 November 2007 (EST)
::::::::::::One extra round... But, there are Christian old earth views, in wich God play an essential role, e.g. as prime mover, aren't there? [[User:Order|Order]] 09:07, 29 November 2007 (EST)
::::::::::::: There are ''Christians'' who hold such views, but it is not a part of ''Christianity'', which is defined not by the views of its leaders or followers, but by the Bible. [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 20:54, 29 November 2007 (EST)
::::::::::::: There are ''Christians'' who hold such views, but it is not a part of ''Christianity'', which is defined not by the views of its leaders or followers, but by the Bible. [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 20:54, 29 November 2007 (EST)
::::::::::::::This is a view of one part of Christianity. Catholic Church for example believes that while the Bible is the most important source, it has to be read the tradition of the Church in mind. Orthodox Churches has similar views that faith does not rely only on scripture. It is obvious that you subscribe to a protestant view, but this is just one of the many branches. [[User:Order|Order]] 21:23, 29 November 2007 (EST)
::::: The Creator God of the Bible is not able to (a) do things that are logically nonsense, like creating a yellow question, or (b) do things that are against his nature, such as lie or contradict Himself.
::::: The Creator God of the Bible is not able to (a) do things that are logically nonsense, like creating a yellow question, or (b) do things that are against his nature, such as lie or contradict Himself.
::::: The creator God of the Bible is not able to create the Earth 10,000, 100,000, or 100,000,000 years ago, because no such time existed. Time is part of His creation, so there is no such thing as 10,000 etc. years ago. The question presupposes that God creates something at a point in time, whereas he actually created time. Time itself began 6,000 years ago. It's like asking if God can begin something before it begins. That's nonsense.
::::: The creator God of the Bible is not able to create the Earth 10,000, 100,000, or 100,000,000 years ago, because no such time existed. Time is part of His creation, so there is no such thing as 10,000 etc. years ago. The question presupposes that God creates something at a point in time, whereas he actually created time. Time itself began 6,000 years ago. It's like asking if God can begin something before it begins. That's nonsense.
::::: With eyewitness accounts, you do have to be able to trust the eyewitness. And I would only consider eyewitness accounts "scientific" if the eyewitness make his observations in a scientific manner (although even if not, I would still consider them reliable if I trusted the eyewitness). Regarding an eyewitness to the eyewitness, the Bible actually cautions us to not take the word of one person, but to only rely on two or more eyewitnesses.
::::: With eyewitness accounts, you do have to be able to trust the eyewitness. And I would only consider eyewitness accounts "scientific" if the eyewitness make his observations in a scientific manner (although even if not, I would still consider them reliable if I trusted the eyewitness). Regarding an eyewitness to the eyewitness, the Bible actually cautions us to not take the word of one person, but to only rely on two or more eyewitnesses.
::::: [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 20:54, 29 November 2007 (EST)
::::: [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 20:54, 29 November 2007 (EST)
::::::So what do you do if there is no eyewitness? [[User:Order|Order]] 21:23, 29 November 2007 (EST)
==Tides and the earth-moon distance==
==Tides and the earth-moon distance==