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Debate:Did Jesus ever claim to be God? (view source)
Revision as of 03:20, January 30, 2008
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I am confused by the trinity doctrine of three persons in one God. I tend to think this is not Biblically based. How can it be when Jesus said "I am not yet ascended to... my God, and your God" (John 20:17)? Also John says "God.. gave his only begotten Son"(3:16), implying that Jesus was sent? Would be more accurate to say that while there is unity between Father, Son and Holy Spirit, only the Father is God, Jesus the Son of God and "the express image of God" and the Spirit of God an agent of God? Adam
I am confused by the trinity doctrine of three persons in one God. I tend to think this is not Biblically based. How can it be when Jesus said "I am not yet ascended to... my God, and your God" (John 20:17)? Also John says "God.. gave his only begotten Son"(3:16), implying that Jesus was sent? Would be more accurate to say that while there is unity between Father, Son and Holy Spirit, only the Father is God, Jesus the Son of God and "the express image of God" and the Spirit of God an agent of God? Adam
:When it comes to the Bible, confusion generally arises where a teaching is either: 1) inconsistent with what the rest of the Bible says or 2) inconsistent with reality. The trinity doctrine falls apart on both.
::For example: The Bible uses a Father/Son relationship to describe God and Jesus.
:::*Nowhere ... literally ... does the Bible categorically state ‘the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, and yet there are not three Gods but one God.’
:::*We know from day-to-day life that Father/Son relationships rarely involve two distinct individuals being the same entity. One would assume that if a day-to-day relationship would be a template, you'd look at identical triplets.
::According to "Harpers Bible Dictionary", it is generally believed that Tertullian (c. 145-220 AD) either coined the term or was the first to use it in reference to God. According to "The New Schaff-Herzog Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge": "The doctines of the ... Trinity received their shape from Greek Fathers, who ... were much influenced, directly or indirectly, by the Platonic philosophy."
::God dealt exclusively with the nation of Israel for thousands of years. If He was a triune deity similar to those worshipped by Israel's enemies the Egyptians and Babylonians, He probably would have mentioned somewhere along the lines - at least to Noah, Abraham or Moses one would imagine.
::Unfortunately the doctrine is one that for some reason people refuse to be rational about. They find comfort in a "divine mystery" that they aren't supposed to understand.
::Remember that the problem doesn't lie with the Bible it's in the lies about the Bible. Accept that it is the word of God and pray for guidance in understanding what it ''really'' teaches. [[User:BibleBrown|BibleBrown]] 22:20, 29 January 2008 (EST)