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→Social effects of Creationist ideas: Galileo, reference wanted, other possibilities, not synonyms, and more
::::::::::::::I use deity and god as synonyms, because that is what they are.
::::::::::::::I use deity and god as synonyms, because that is what they are.
::::::::::::::So you play your little game with the different meanings of "chance" again. Environments do not come about by random chance, and after selection it isn't randomly distributed either. I am happy to take you along this argument again. Nobody claims what you claim to happen by chance. But why do you have such a hard time to admit that you take recourse to the heavens, rather than try to explain why it isn't random? [[User:Order|Order]] 20:06, 4 February 2008 (EST)
::::::::::::::So you play your little game with the different meanings of "chance" again. Environments do not come about by random chance, and after selection it isn't randomly distributed either. I am happy to take you along this argument again. Nobody claims what you claim to happen by chance. But why do you have such a hard time to admit that you take recourse to the heavens, rather than try to explain why it isn't random? [[User:Order|Order]] 20:06, 4 February 2008 (EST)
(unindent)"''I told you right in the beginning that Galileo accompanied his finding with an alternative less literal interpretation of the bible''": Perhaps you did, but that's not quite the same thing as "''Galileo tried to console his findings with the bible''". The rest of your first paragraph appears to be arguing points that I don't disagree with.
"''That god doesn't do it because of his nature, was one of the forbidden statements.''": Reference please.
"''If one person supports an idea because of his Christian roots, and another rejects it because of the same roots, then those roots do not matter.''": That assumes that they are both correctly applying the Christian principles. But nobody is perfect, so it's entirely possible that one of them has ''misapplied'' the principles. So simply quoting an example of two people supposedly basing their opposing views on Christian principles does not by itself prove that Christian principles do not matter.
"''I use deity and god as synonyms, because that is what they are.''": The distinction that I drew was not between "deity" and "god", but "a deity" (that is, any given deity) and "God" (with a capital "G", that is, a ''particular'' deity). "'''a''' deity" and "'''G'''od" are not synonyms.
"''So you play your little game ...''": Game? No, it's no game.
"''Environments do not come about by random chance, and after selection it isn't randomly distributed either.''": If there is no design, then it's down to chance.
[[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 07:49, 6 February 2008 (EST)
== Cdesign proponentsists ==
== Cdesign proponentsists ==