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[[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 02:10, 13 March 2008 (EDT)
[[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 02:10, 13 March 2008 (EDT)
: Ah, but you see, that is where ID and evolution DO differ. For most IDers, as you say, ID is based in religion, and is based on the notion of the existence of some Designer - which is utterly unproven, and, at it's heart, is a religious belief, even if it does not name the Creator (though, to be frank, on most, if not all, ID literature I have seen, the word 'God' screams from between every line). Evolution is purely scientific - in other words, it is based on evidence, and only evidence. To date, no-one has come up with clear, solid evidence of the existence of God (or any other deity), so, until someone does, evolution will be based on the idea that no such deity exists. Science and religion can co-exist, but they can't intermingle, except 'at the edges', so to speak (Theistic Evolution, for example, is one example of science and religion intermingling 'at the edges' - science explains the 'Evolution' part, and religion only really adds 'but a deity kicked the whole thing off' to give it the 'Theistic' part) without compromising one or the other, or both. They are, in essence, two completely different ways of looking at the universe. [[User:Urushnor|Urushnor]] 12:40, 13 March 2008 (EDT)
== Exactly what does ID have to do with religion? ==
== Exactly what does ID have to do with religion? ==
::Conservatives don't want censorship; they are not afraid of the [[marketplace of ideas]]. Only liberals want censorship. [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Slander:_Liberal_Lies_About_the_American_Right&diff=prev&oldid=404454] --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 11:19, 13 March 2008 (EDT)
::Conservatives don't want censorship; they are not afraid of the [[marketplace of ideas]]. Only liberals want censorship. [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Slander:_Liberal_Lies_About_the_American_Right&diff=prev&oldid=404454] --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 11:19, 13 March 2008 (EDT)
::: Actually, the argument is that ID purports to be based on science, but the only arguments based on evidence that backs up ID are also based on the preconception that there is a designer - which, at heart, is a religious belief, and remains completely unproven. Conversely, evolution does not definitively say 'God does not exist', it says, 'there is no solid evidence that God exists', which is a slight but important difference, and, to properly apply the scientific process, if you claim that life was designed by God, or some other creator, you either have to come up with independant, solid evidence of the existence of that creator, and/or come up with clear-cut, solid evidence of that creator designing life. To date, no-one has come up with either. The closest people have come is pointing out the complexity of life and claiming that it's too complex to have arose by evolution, and, indeed, many IDers generally submit evidence that, in their eyes, throws doubt on evolution, rather than positively supports ID. [[User:Urushnor|Urushnor]] 12:40, 13 March 2008 (EDT)