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long explanation and request to [[User:HelpJazz]]
:I can personally tell you that that is not true. I voted for Bush in 2004 (too young in 2000 but I would have voted for him then as well), and I would love to be able to say that he reduced terrorism. I am not trying to get elected, and I certainly don't sympathize with terrorists. I'm not the only one here, some very reputible conservative/libertarian sources ([[Ron Paul]], as Dan said, and the [[Cato Institute]] are two of my favorites) also think that the Patriot Act is infringing real rights. I gave three examples in the article, and I'm sure there are many, many more. Keep in mind that many libertarian-minded individuals hold the right to privacy and the right of self-government in very high standards; surely the vast majoraty of them (us) hold it high enough to keep it out of the political muck. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 18:58, 8 April 2008 (EDT)
 
You can personally tell me '''what'' is not true? And in what way are you or I "notable" sources?
 
We are just amateur writers. Anything we write needs to be backed up with a source.
 
And once again, I ask you: don't just say that the act was opposed by a large number of people. That's common knowledge. Tell us something we don't know, such as the specific [[civil liberties]] which opponents claim would be violated. Will '''your''' rights be violated? Are you planning to make a phone call to Pakistan or Iran? You don't want someone listening in?
 
Who says it violates your "rights" if a computer flags your overseas phone conversation for an analyst to transcribe it, if you mention keywords like "hijack" or "bomb" in English or Arabic? And is there any government official or political candidate or author or columnists who says that American citizens '''ought''' to have the right to discuss bombs and hijackings on the phone between the US and foreign countries? (Recall that joking about a hijacking gets you immediately expelled from even a domestic flight; all comments are taken seriously. Does anyone considered that "violation of civil rights"?
 
Note carefully!! I am not arguing about whether these ideas are right or wrong; let's not get sidetracked!! I want you to think about the reasons critics give (if any), and then put these reasons in the controversy (or "opposition") section.
 
I'm not inviting you to a debate. I'm asking you to help me write the article.
 
Get it now? --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 10:42, 9 April 2008 (EDT)
:There's no reason we can't include talk about the Clinton violations as well as these. Right or wrong, objections to the Patriot Act have been very controversial and well noted in the news, and we can't simply ignore controversy simply for the sake of political expediency if we are to be an informative encyclopedia. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 18:37, 8 April 2008 (EDT)
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