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Talk:Patriot Act/controversy (view source)
Revision as of 22:10, April 9, 2008
, 22:10, April 9, 2008→Discussion: HelpJazz, you can and *must* do better than that!
:Well the idea, as I was told, was to keep some semblance of it so the article will note disagreements, without being a tit-for-tat argument against the Act, which is of course inappropriate. A good, detailed Essay or Debate page would be completely appropriate for something against it, IMO. But I doubt the powers that be will want to open the door to "opposition" articles....;-) --<font color="#1E90FF" face="Comic Sans MS">[[User:TK|₮K]]</font><sup><font color="DC143C">[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]]</font></sup> 16:30, 9 April 2008 (EDT)
:Well the idea, as I was told, was to keep some semblance of it so the article will note disagreements, without being a tit-for-tat argument against the Act, which is of course inappropriate. A good, detailed Essay or Debate page would be completely appropriate for something against it, IMO. But I doubt the powers that be will want to open the door to "opposition" articles....;-) --<font color="#1E90FF" face="Comic Sans MS">[[User:TK|₮K]]</font><sup><font color="DC143C">[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]]</font></sup> 16:30, 9 April 2008 (EDT)
::Sorry, but it still sounds like every "objection" is not to a potential for abuse of an innocent person. Rather, the objection is that the FBI might actually be able to catch some bad guys.
::We need to address the issue of balance: for example, the Bill of Rights recognizes a person's right to privacy for his papers and stuff YET allows a search if a judge issues a warrant. So what sort of law do we have to have that protects innocent people from being hurt by some corrupt administration just looking for ways to harass them, while also making allowing the good guys in the FBI to uncover and stop conspiracies like that which led to 9/11.
::Maybe we need to address the various things that FBI agents wanted to do when they first heard about Arab-looking men who wanted to learn how to '''steer''' a jumbo jet, but didn't care about landing one. What legal powers would they need, to investigate further? Which of these powers - if used "against" some innocent person - would violate their rights? (Please specify the rights by Amendment number, etc.) --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 18:10, 9 April 2008 (EDT)