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:David Hicks, I haven't heard of any terrorist attacks in my backyard recently. [[User:StatsMsn|StatsMsn]] 19:10, 14 June 2008 (EDT)
:David Hicks, I haven't heard of any terrorist attacks in my backyard recently. [[User:StatsMsn|StatsMsn]] 19:10, 14 June 2008 (EDT)
# I don't know who David Hicks is, so that name is irrelevant.
# The reason that some of you might not have heard of any terrorist attacks in your backyard might ''be'' Guantanamo. You shut that down, and you ''will'' hear of a terrorist attack in your backyard. Or mine.
# The case of Omar Deghayes is incomplete. Notice that ''if'' that Wikipedia entry is accurate, then he still faces extradition to Spain.
# I suspect that some people suffer from yet another "fundamental flaw of presumption," in this case that everything that a lawyer says, in or out of court, is always true, complete, and correct to best of said lawyer's knowledge and belief.
# That 7% statistic is probably conservative in a way that normally doesn't impress me. And that's a far cry from the ''zero'' that some people have been presuming.
We deal here, if I may so observe, with two competing probabilities with distinctly different levels of cost. One is having somebody languish in prison for a few years. The other is to have a million Americans dead. Which would you rather?--[[User:TerryH|TerryH]]<sup>[[User talk:TerryH|Talk]]</sup> 19:27, 14 June 2008 (EDT)
:::: Terry - it is you who have made an unsubstantiated assertion, not I. Again I ask you for proof of your assertion. I note you have found it impossible to come by. It is easier to prove my case, much easier. Try [http://books.guardian.co.uk/extracts/story/0,,2275535,00.html Murat Kurnaz], for example, living in Germany since his release. David Hicks is alive and well in Australia. There are countless numbers of them who have '''not''' returned to combat Terry, and while I am certainly not denying that ''some'' have returned to combat, your claim that "to a man, every one of them" has done so is obviously completely incorrect. The [http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/45738.htm Dept. of State's official report] clearly says that "some detainees upon their release are returning to combat" (search for the phrase, no way to provide a hard link) - I imagine that if they could have made your claim, they would have been much happier, but they couldn't, so they didn't. Because it's not true.
:::: Terry - it is you who have made an unsubstantiated assertion, not I. Again I ask you for proof of your assertion. I note you have found it impossible to come by. It is easier to prove my case, much easier. Try [http://books.guardian.co.uk/extracts/story/0,,2275535,00.html Murat Kurnaz], for example, living in Germany since his release. David Hicks is alive and well in Australia. There are countless numbers of them who have '''not''' returned to combat Terry, and while I am certainly not denying that ''some'' have returned to combat, your claim that "to a man, every one of them" has done so is obviously completely incorrect. The [http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/45738.htm Dept. of State's official report] clearly says that "some detainees upon their release are returning to combat" (search for the phrase, no way to provide a hard link) - I imagine that if they could have made your claim, they would have been much happier, but they couldn't, so they didn't. Because it's not true.
:::: Clearly, you are wrong, and childish attempts to bully me with your 'superior sysopship' don't change reality, sadly. Do you admit that you are wrong, and do you apologize? I would also ask you to mind your tone, thank you. [[User:Aggrieved|Aggrieved]] 19:20, 14 June 2008 (EDT)
:::: Clearly, you are wrong, and childish attempts to bully me with your 'superior sysopship' don't change reality, sadly. Do you admit that you are wrong, and do you apologize? I would also ask you to mind your tone, thank you. [[User:Aggrieved|Aggrieved]] 19:20, 14 June 2008 (EDT)
I admit no such thing. Those cases you've cited are still open, as far as I'm concerned. And I ought to block you just for using words like "childish" even if it ''is'' on your talk page. Retract that remark right now or you ''will'' get blocked just for that.--[[User:TerryH|TerryH]]<sup>[[User talk:TerryH|Talk]]</sup> 19:27, 14 June 2008 (EDT)