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And I did not link to [[astronomy]] by accident. I meant to do that. Because modern astronomy is providing observations that, properly understood, are tearing uniformitarianism, and all the [[deep time]] baggage that goes with it, to tatters. Think about it&mdash;virtually every successful space mission, by [[NASA]], or the [[ESA]], or the old [[Soviet Union|Soviet]] space agency, has turned up observations that create serious problems for the whole deep time concept, the [[nebula hypothesis]], the [[Big Bang]], and everything else. Check out the articles on the [[planet]]s and on many of the [[moon]]s, and you'll see.--[[User:TerryH|TerryH]]<sup>[[User talk:TerryH|Talk]]</sup> 11:06, 16 June 2008 (EDT)
 
And I did not link to [[astronomy]] by accident. I meant to do that. Because modern astronomy is providing observations that, properly understood, are tearing uniformitarianism, and all the [[deep time]] baggage that goes with it, to tatters. Think about it&mdash;virtually every successful space mission, by [[NASA]], or the [[ESA]], or the old [[Soviet Union|Soviet]] space agency, has turned up observations that create serious problems for the whole deep time concept, the [[nebula hypothesis]], the [[Big Bang]], and everything else. Check out the articles on the [[planet]]s and on many of the [[moon]]s, and you'll see.--[[User:TerryH|TerryH]]<sup>[[User talk:TerryH|Talk]]</sup> 11:06, 16 June 2008 (EDT)
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Okay, God did not make time, otherwise the Bible line: "First there was nothing" would make absolutely no sense. First? Without time, chronological order would be renered meaningless. How could anything happen without time? If this concept you're arguing is self evident to you, I have no hope for you. This is precisely my point: This concept cannot be accepted as a given, it's too absurd to find obvious. Furthermore, all "refutations" on this page assume I'm already wrong, thus circular logic. And if God exists, he's not all powerful. Can he make a rock that he himself cannot lift?
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--[[User:JackSmith|JackSmith]] 11:39, 16 June 2008 (EDT)
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