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Okay, God did not make time, otherwise the Bible line: "First there was nothing" would make absolutely no sense. First? Without time, chronological order would be renered meaningless. How could anything happen without time? If this concept you're arguing is self evident to you, I have no hope for you. This is precisely my point: This concept cannot be accepted as a given, it's too absurd to find obvious. Furthermore, all "refutations" on this page assume I'm already wrong, thus circular logic. And if God exists, he's not all powerful. Can he make a rock that he himself cannot lift?
 
Okay, God did not make time, otherwise the Bible line: "First there was nothing" would make absolutely no sense. First? Without time, chronological order would be renered meaningless. How could anything happen without time? If this concept you're arguing is self evident to you, I have no hope for you. This is precisely my point: This concept cannot be accepted as a given, it's too absurd to find obvious. Furthermore, all "refutations" on this page assume I'm already wrong, thus circular logic. And if God exists, he's not all powerful. Can he make a rock that he himself cannot lift?
 
--[[User:JackSmith|JackSmith]] 11:39, 16 June 2008 (EDT)
 
--[[User:JackSmith|JackSmith]] 11:39, 16 June 2008 (EDT)
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:I think you will find that "In the beginning" pretty much would equate to the start of time as we can know it.  Also, the ability of humans to make nonsensical statements, and then place God in them, does not define God.  "Can God make a color that is bluer than blue?" "Can God make 2+2 =4 and make 2+2 =5?" [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 18:37, 16 June 2008 (EDT)
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