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I understand this isn't quite what you said, but it eventually led to it, so while I do not necessarily direct this to you, Ymmtrojam, I certainly direct it at a few of the members of this site. Thanks, and Lightspeed.--[[User:JackSmith|JackSmith]] 14:11, 17 June 2008 (EDT)

I understand this isn't quite what you said, but it eventually led to it, so while I do not necessarily direct this to you, Ymmtrojam, I certainly direct it at a few of the members of this site. Thanks, and Lightspeed.--[[User:JackSmith|JackSmith]] 14:11, 17 June 2008 (EDT)

:Thank you for your honesty. Here's some more food for thought. (By the way I'm in no way against you. I love dialoguing about this kind of thing. After all these questions trouble me at times as well, because this is something that is life or death to me. I don't take these issues lightly. Just so you know I actually care, and it's not just talk...)

:Thank you for your honesty. Here's some more food for thought. (By the way I'm in no way against you. I love dialoguing about this kind of thing. After all these questions trouble me at times as well, because this is something that is life or death to me. I don't take these issues lightly. Just so you know I actually care, and it's not just talk...)

:# ''"I may not be perfect."'' Now this last paragraph I know you weren't directing at me. But that phrase, "may not be perfect," that is really the whole point of Christianity. It doesn't matter whether we do those horrible deeds of raping, killing, etc, God cares about our hearts as well. There's that commandment about not committing adultery... well guess what, I've never done that. But Jesus said that even if we ''look with lust'' after a woman, we have committed adultery with her in our heart. See, God cares about perfection even in our minds and hearts (Because he is perfect and has to judge rebellion against him), and by your confession, you are not perfect (at least "may" not be). '''See, this makes the entire world, yes, even every single Christian guilty before God. No one escapes. That is why we all deserve hell, and that is why every one of us needs God to intervene on our behalf (and that is where Jesus, being God in the flesh, comes on the scene).'''

:# ''"I may not be perfect."'' Now this last paragraph I know you weren't directing at me. But that phrase, "may not be perfect," that is really the whole point of Christianity. It doesn't matter whether we do those horrible deeds of raping, killing, etc, God cares about our hearts as well. There's that commandment about not committing adultery... well guess what, I've never done that. But Jesus said that even if we ''look with lust'' after a woman, we have committed adultery with her in our heart. See, God cares about perfection even in our minds and hearts (Because he is perfect and has to judge rebellion against him), and by your confession, you are not perfect (at least "may" not be). '''See, this makes the entire world, yes, even every single Christian guilty before God. No one escapes. That is why we all deserve hell, and that is why every one of us needs God to intervene on our behalf (and that is where Jesus, being God in the flesh, comes on the scene).'''

:--[[User:Ymmotrojam|Ymmotrojam]] 14:49, 17 June 2008 (EDT)

:--[[User:Ymmotrojam|Ymmotrojam]] 14:49, 17 June 2008 (EDT)

==Absurd==

==Absurd==

This is just silly.  The vast majority of creationists are not like PJR: they do not have even the skein of science over it.  While I think he is wrong and so are the "creation scientists" who go through their elaborate contortions, they are a step up from the average.  The average creationist believes God created the world, and that is that.  Nothing more to it.  If there is any proof otherwise, they believe he created it and so it is moot.  This is why I am a Last Thursdayist, since I think the universe was created last Thursday, somewhere around three in the afternoon.  It's also why this challenge is pointless.  And even if it wasn't, it is irrational and poorly phrased.  Knock it off and quit being a Hitchens, JackSmith.--[[user:TomMoore|<font color="#000066" >Tom Moore</font>]]^{[[User talk:TomMoore|fiat justitia ruat coelum]]} 14:27, 17 June 2008 (EDT)

This is just silly.  The vast majority of creationists are not like PJR: they do not have even the skein of science over it.  While I think he is wrong and so are the "creation scientists" who go through their elaborate contortions, they are a step up from the average.  The average creationist believes God created the world, and that is that.  Nothing more to it.  If there is any proof otherwise, they believe he created it and so it is moot.  This is why I am a Last Thursdayist, since I think the universe was created last Thursday, somewhere around three in the afternoon.  It's also why this challenge is pointless.  And even if it wasn't, it is irrational and poorly phrased.  Knock it off and quit being a Hitchens, JackSmith.--[[user:TomMoore|<font color="#000066" >Tom Moore</font>]]^{[[User talk:TomMoore|fiat justitia ruat coelum]]} 14:27, 17 June 2008 (EDT)