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Talk:His Dark Materials (novel) (view source)
Revision as of 19:14, August 7, 2008
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:::I fear I may have started this thing by removing a sentence that was much worse than that Wandering is now complaining of. Perhaps if Learn Together explained exactly what the resemblance between this award and Al Gore's award we might be in a better position to evaluate the situation.--[[User:MCrowe|MCrowe]] 23:03, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
:::I fear I may have started this thing by removing a sentence that was much worse than that Wandering is now complaining of. Perhaps if Learn Together explained exactly what the resemblance between this award and Al Gore's award we might be in a better position to evaluate the situation.--[[User:MCrowe|MCrowe]] 23:03, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
::::I've just done a quick clean-up & removed this bit. For one, there's no real "change in attitude over time". The same voices which praised HDM on publication still praise it now, the same voices which condemn it do so still. The only change has been a gradual increase in awareness & popularity, as happens with any fiction like this which gradually develops a cult popularity and is then adapted for cinema. Also, the false analogy with Al Gore really doesn't make any sense. Achievements by unconnected individuals in thoroughly different fields. Whatever your opinion on either subject, there is no connection between ecology and "killing God". (NB. I also removed the silly claim that it is "implied" that Will & Lyra have sex). [[User:BeReasonable|BeReasonable]] 14:27, 7 August 2008 (EDT)
::::I've just done a quick clean-up & removed this bit. For one, there's no real "change in attitude over time". The same voices which praised HDM on publication still praise it now, the same voices which condemn it do so still. The only change has been a gradual increase in awareness & popularity, as happens with any fiction like this which gradually develops a cult popularity and is then adapted for cinema. Also, the false analogy with Al Gore really doesn't make any sense. Achievements by unconnected individuals in thoroughly different fields. Whatever your opinion on either subject, there is no connection between ecology and "killing God". (NB. I also removed the silly claim that it is "implied" that Will & Lyra have sex). [[User:BeReasonable|BeReasonable]] 14:27, 7 August 2008 (EDT)
:::::The change in attitude over time is what is acceptable and praiseworthy in society. Killing God at one time wasn't praiseworthy for a children's book. Gore shows how prizes can be twisted to award an agenda, instead of what the prize is supposed to reward. In my time even most of the atheists I have met wouldn't have thought it was proper to attack God in a children's book, but that critical thinking of that level which has a strong personal component is best considered in maturity. It's a usurption of previous values and will be noted as such. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 15:14, 7 August 2008 (EDT)