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Talk:His Dark Materials (novel) (view source)
Revision as of 20:55, August 7, 2008
, 20:55, August 7, 2008→"Interesting to note": reply
::::I've just done a quick clean-up & removed this bit. For one, there's no real "change in attitude over time". The same voices which praised HDM on publication still praise it now, the same voices which condemn it do so still. The only change has been a gradual increase in awareness & popularity, as happens with any fiction like this which gradually develops a cult popularity and is then adapted for cinema. Also, the false analogy with Al Gore really doesn't make any sense. Achievements by unconnected individuals in thoroughly different fields. Whatever your opinion on either subject, there is no connection between ecology and "killing God". (NB. I also removed the silly claim that it is "implied" that Will & Lyra have sex). [[User:BeReasonable|BeReasonable]] 14:27, 7 August 2008 (EDT)
::::I've just done a quick clean-up & removed this bit. For one, there's no real "change in attitude over time". The same voices which praised HDM on publication still praise it now, the same voices which condemn it do so still. The only change has been a gradual increase in awareness & popularity, as happens with any fiction like this which gradually develops a cult popularity and is then adapted for cinema. Also, the false analogy with Al Gore really doesn't make any sense. Achievements by unconnected individuals in thoroughly different fields. Whatever your opinion on either subject, there is no connection between ecology and "killing God". (NB. I also removed the silly claim that it is "implied" that Will & Lyra have sex). [[User:BeReasonable|BeReasonable]] 14:27, 7 August 2008 (EDT)
:::::The change in attitude over time is what is acceptable and praiseworthy in society. Killing God at one time wasn't praiseworthy for a children's book. Gore shows how prizes can be twisted to award an agenda, instead of what the prize is supposed to reward. In my time even most of the atheists I have met wouldn't have thought it was proper to attack God in a children's book, but that critical thinking of that level which has a strong personal component is best considered in maturity. It's a usurption of previous values and will be noted as such. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 15:14, 7 August 2008 (EDT)
:::::The change in attitude over time is what is acceptable and praiseworthy in society. Killing God at one time wasn't praiseworthy for a children's book. Gore shows how prizes can be twisted to award an agenda, instead of what the prize is supposed to reward. In my time even most of the atheists I have met wouldn't have thought it was proper to attack God in a children's book, but that critical thinking of that level which has a strong personal component is best considered in maturity. It's a usurption of previous values and will be noted as such. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 15:14, 7 August 2008 (EDT)
Some points in response:
* Conservapedia Commandment 5 says "Do not post personal opinion on an encyclopedia entry". This comparison looks like a personal opinion, and editors have already objected to it as unencyclopedcic.
* The 'killing God' aspect of ''His Dark Materials'' is grossly exaggerated. The story does not comtain a God figure in the conventional definition (I.E. omnipotent, omniscient & benevolent). There is a Creator, who is weak and frail, who is not intentionally killed but is unable to survive. And there is a usurping angel who has taken command of heaven. It is ''this'' Authority which Lord Asriel sets out to destroy.
* I have removed again the suggestion that Will & Lyra fornicate. Remember they are children. Please do not reinstate this unless you can cite exactly what in the books implies this.
* Please look at what edits have been made before you simply revert them. In each case I have corrected spelling errors which you have put back in by reverting them.
* The administration guidelines state that users should only be blocked without prior warning or discussion for obscenities. Please keep this in m ind before you block me again, Learn Together. [[User:BeReasonable|BeReasonable]] 16:55, 7 August 2008 (EDT)