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== DeanS abusing power ==

== DeanS abusing power ==

 

DeanS has abused his Sysop power in blocking [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:Jirby Jirby]. Here is the history:

DeanS has abused his Sysop power in blocking [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:Jirby Jirby]. Here is the history:

{{User:DLerner/sig}} 21:20, 25 August 2008 (EDT)

{{User:DLerner/sig}} 21:20, 25 August 2008 (EDT)

: I agree.  I've disagreed with my fellow administrators before on this.  From their point of view, they don't want to waste time having to justify blocks to any Tom, Dick, or Harry who decides to cause trouble by second-guessing the adminstrator's actions.  That's understandable, but, as you mention, can lead to problems the other way, where they are not answerable.  Unfortunately, this Abuse page appears to have no mechanism in place to resolve issues raised here, but its existence does at least imply that there is some freedom to question actions.

: I agree.  I've disagreed with my fellow administrators before on this.  From their point of view, they don't want to waste time having to justify blocks to any Tom, Dick, or Harry who decides to cause trouble by second-guessing the adminstrator's actions.  That's understandable, but, as you mention, can lead to problems the other way, where they are not answerable.  Unfortunately, this Abuse page appears to have no mechanism in place to resolve issues raised here, but its existence does at least imply that there is some freedom to question actions.

::Philip, while I respect your right to disagree with my decision to block Jirby, I don't repect your right to undo my block. I have therefore reblocked him. --[[User:DeanS|DeanS^talk]] 23:56, 25 August 2008 (EDT)

::Philip, while I respect your right to disagree with my decision to block Jirby, I don't repect your right to undo my block. I have therefore reblocked him. --[[User:DeanS|DeanS^talk]] 23:56, 25 August 2008 (EDT)

::: I pointed out that your block was unjustified.  Your rebuttal?  There was none.  You have not disputed any point I made, or justified your block in any way.  I don't accept that you ''have'' a right to block for an invalid reason.  {{Bible ref|Matthew|7|3}}  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 03:08, 26 August 2008 (EDT)

::: I pointed out that your block was unjustified.  Your rebuttal?  There was none.  You have not disputed any point I made, or justified your block in any way.  I don't accept that you ''have'' a right to block for an invalid reason.  {{Bible ref|Matthew|7|3}}  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 03:08, 26 August 2008 (EDT)

::::My reading of the situation is that Dean has not ''abused'' power at all, but is ''using'' his power wisely in ridding CP of people whose ''sole'' motivation in coming here is to cause trouble. It it a sad day when certain administrators think it fit to weigh in on the side of these troublemakers, exercising poor judgement and an overly-liberal attitude. I believe that PJR's interference in this matter is completely unjustified, as it was in the Daphnea business. He should accept the judgement and good faith of other sysops and those with blocking powers, and not set himself up as a whited sepulchre. [[User:Bugler|Bugler]]

::::My reading of the situation is that Dean has not ''abused'' power at all, but is ''using'' his power wisely in ridding CP of people whose ''sole'' motivation in coming here is to cause trouble. It it a sad day when certain administrators think it fit to weigh in on the side of these troublemakers, exercising poor judgement and an overly-liberal attitude. I believe that PJR's interference in this matter is completely unjustified, as it was in the Daphnea business. He should accept the judgement and good faith of other sysops and those with blocking powers, and not set himself up as a whited sepulchre. [[User:Bugler|Bugler]]

::::: Bugler, will you please supply evidence that Jirby's "sole motivation" is to cause trouble?  Until you do, your argument fails.  And if you want to provide evidence of unjustified intereference on my part, please use an example where you got it right.  [[user:Daphnea|Daphnea]] was not such a case.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 10:58, 26 August 2008 (EDT)

::::: Bugler, will you please supply evidence that Jirby's "sole motivation" is to cause trouble?  Until you do, your argument fails.  And if you want to provide evidence of unjustified intereference on my part, please use an example where you got it right.  [[user:Daphnea|Daphnea]] was not such a case.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 10:58, 26 August 2008 (EDT)

Even if Philip disagreed with my block, I don't think he should have undid my block. As noted above, I believe my blocks were justified. I believe Philip is abusing his power by unblocking another admin's block. Since my block should not have been reversed in the first place, I am reinstituting the block. --[[User:DeanS|DeanS^talk]] 10:38, 26 August 2008 (EDT)

Even if Philip disagreed with my block, I don't think he should have undid my block. As noted above, I believe my blocks were justified. I believe Philip is abusing his power by unblocking another admin's block. Since my block should not have been reversed in the first place, I am reinstituting the block. --[[User:DeanS|DeanS^talk]] 10:38, 26 August 2008 (EDT)

:::I am new, so I understand my opinion means next to nothing.  I am trying to learn the "codes" and behaviors here, important in any online community.  My only suggestion, if you will take this in the way it is intended, is that I find "MYOB" to be rude and very unwelcome.  While I see DeanS's point (he edited something I wrote, with a very valid point, but in a very rude way, I felt.  NOt offering advice or help to a new user, just being arbitrary) I think a lot can be avoided by saying "Please understand this is between the poster and myself" or something rather than MYOB.  Does that seem fair?  Just because we are given power in life, that isn't a call to forget common decency -- *yet still do the best job as administrator and sysop*. Again, I am trying not to step on toes, just say as a woman I think there is room for gentleness here.--[[User:MHayes|MHayes]] 10:49, 26 August 2008 (EDT)

:::I am new, so I understand my opinion means next to nothing.  I am trying to learn the "codes" and behaviors here, important in any online community.  My only suggestion, if you will take this in the way it is intended, is that I find "MYOB" to be rude and very unwelcome.  While I see DeanS's point (he edited something I wrote, with a very valid point, but in a very rude way, I felt.  NOt offering advice or help to a new user, just being arbitrary) I think a lot can be avoided by saying "Please understand this is between the poster and myself" or something rather than MYOB.  Does that seem fair?  Just because we are given power in life, that isn't a call to forget common decency -- *yet still do the best job as administrator and sysop*. Again, I am trying not to step on toes, just say as a woman I think there is room for gentleness here.--[[User:MHayes|MHayes]] 10:49, 26 August 2008 (EDT)