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Debate: Did the Founding Fathers intend to apply their personal faith to the nation "As an institution"? (view source)
Revision as of 14:55, September 7, 2008
, 14:55, September 7, 2008→Yes, they intended to establish the U.S.A. as "One nation under God"
::::You are right, this conversation is going in circles. You want me to prove "Christianity in the Constitution" , which has none. You want me to say the Founders views were separated from legislation created, which I will not. A Republic was created not a Theocracy. I will end my last reply on a few quotes. James Wilson, George Washington's appointment says "Christianity is part of the common-law." and Supreme Court Justice appointed by President James Madison, Joseph Story called America a "Christian country." Patrick Henry, "It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the Gospels of Jesus Christ." Plus, the secular government that would not infringe on the religion of others...The Continental Congress, in 1777, recommended and approved that the Committee of Commerce "import 20,000 Bibles from Holland, Scotland, or elsewhere," because of the great need of the American people and the great shortage caused by the interruption of trade with England by the Revolutionary War.-- [[Image:50 star flag.png|14px]] [[User:Jpatt|jp]] 22:52, 6 September 2008 (EDT)
::::You are right, this conversation is going in circles. You want me to prove "Christianity in the Constitution" , which has none. You want me to say the Founders views were separated from legislation created, which I will not. A Republic was created not a Theocracy. I will end my last reply on a few quotes. James Wilson, George Washington's appointment says "Christianity is part of the common-law." and Supreme Court Justice appointed by President James Madison, Joseph Story called America a "Christian country." Patrick Henry, "It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the Gospels of Jesus Christ." Plus, the secular government that would not infringe on the religion of others...The Continental Congress, in 1777, recommended and approved that the Committee of Commerce "import 20,000 Bibles from Holland, Scotland, or elsewhere," because of the great need of the American people and the great shortage caused by the interruption of trade with England by the Revolutionary War.-- [[Image:50 star flag.png|14px]] [[User:Jpatt|jp]] 22:52, 6 September 2008 (EDT)
::::First off, the resolution you refer to took place during the Continental Congress, the entity that existed before the Constitution was written and ratified, so this is not an example of the actions of the government the U.S. government founders finally agreed to. That aside, this was a committee recommendation that Congress vote on importing Bibles instead of printing them - in short, it was a committee vote to approve the next step in the approval process. Also, the whole effort was in response to price gouging of Bibles during the war, not because the Continental Congress felt it should be in the business of issuing Bibles to the citizens as policy. The committee vote on the motion was close – seven states voted yes; six voted no. A second motion was then made to pass a resolution to import the Bibles, but this was postponed and never brought up again. No Bibles were imported. Will devout Christians state that they and their fellow Americans live under God in a Christian nation? Of course, but that doesn't make it a fact, least of all to their fellow citizens and patriots who don't happen to be Christian. I still retain an open mind to being shown evidence of the actual founding, in law, of the United States of America as a Christian nation. --[[User:DinsdaleP|DinsdaleP]] 10:55, 7 September 2008 (EDT)
==No, they did not intend to establish the U.S.A. as "One nation under God"==
==No, they did not intend to establish the U.S.A. as "One nation under God"==