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::::::::To be clear, Sideways, yes: I do believe that both psychiatry and psychology are speculative in the extreme. I don't think even their most ardent fans would claim that they have concrete standards of proof. And to pretend so in this encyclopaedia would be to do our users a very grave disservice. [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 17:05, 16 September 2008 (EDT)
 
::::::::To be clear, Sideways, yes: I do believe that both psychiatry and psychology are speculative in the extreme. I don't think even their most ardent fans would claim that they have concrete standards of proof. And to pretend so in this encyclopaedia would be to do our users a very grave disservice. [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 17:05, 16 September 2008 (EDT)
 
:::::::::So the only concrete proof we have is that liberal education is a major cause of BPD? [[User:BrianH|BrianH]] 17:39, 16 September 2008 (EDT)
 
:::::::::So the only concrete proof we have is that liberal education is a major cause of BPD? [[User:BrianH|BrianH]] 17:39, 16 September 2008 (EDT)
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(unindent)So instead we make up our own theories that have absolutely no clinical correlation whatsoever?  Yeah, psychiatric medicine can't explain a lot of the causes of these illnesses but inserting this nonsense isn't doing it any justice either!  Psychiatry is not feeling around in the dark, nor is it "speculative in the extreme."  Millions of dollars are contributed every year to find the causes and treatments for these disorders.  Dollars that go to case studies and drug research&mdash;by those big pharmaceutical companies that I'm sure you (Bugler) endorse (strawman intended). I didn't ask for much; just a citation.  You can't provide one.  The claim should be removed until proper citation is found and verified to be a reputable source.  Otherwise, you are just as guilty as you claim "Big Science" to be.  [[User:LautRN|Jeffrey W. Lauttamus]][[User_talk:LautRN|<sub>Discussion</sub>]] 17:45, 16 September 2008 (EDT)
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