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Talk:Brokeback Mountain (view source)
Revision as of 23:15, October 8, 2008
, 23:15, October 8, 2008→Admonishment: reply
::: I agree with LiamG and KPickering. People feeling like they are expected to see a movie is not the same thing as other people actually admonishing them to do so. I mean, it's a MOVIE - a form of entertainment - it's OPTIONAL - not like death or taxes! I can see that if a lot of people said "hey, you should see this TV show, it's really good", and you were not interested in or even offended by the subject, you would get annoyed after a while that people kept telling you that you should see it. But the people were just telling you about something they enjoyed, not admonishing you. While you might'' feel'' like you were being pushed to do something outside your comfort zone, it would be more because of "am I the only one who's totally not interested in this" feelings, not because they were actually pushing you. See what I mean? It's more that you're feeling peer pressure - not that your peers are actually pressuring you, just that there's a conflict between what YOU want to do vs. what (seemingly) everyone else seems to be doing. So unless there are actual examples of admonishment, I think this part needs to be changed. --[[User:Hsmom|Hsmom]] 15:22, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
::: I agree with LiamG and KPickering. People feeling like they are expected to see a movie is not the same thing as other people actually admonishing them to do so. I mean, it's a MOVIE - a form of entertainment - it's OPTIONAL - not like death or taxes! I can see that if a lot of people said "hey, you should see this TV show, it's really good", and you were not interested in or even offended by the subject, you would get annoyed after a while that people kept telling you that you should see it. But the people were just telling you about something they enjoyed, not admonishing you. While you might'' feel'' like you were being pushed to do something outside your comfort zone, it would be more because of "am I the only one who's totally not interested in this" feelings, not because they were actually pushing you. See what I mean? It's more that you're feeling peer pressure - not that your peers are actually pressuring you, just that there's a conflict between what YOU want to do vs. what (seemingly) everyone else seems to be doing. So unless there are actual examples of admonishment, I think this part needs to be changed. --[[User:Hsmom|Hsmom]] 15:22, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
But the atmosphere was not "You should see this movie. No? Are you sure? Awww, it's really good". That's normal prodding from people to recommend a movie they enjoy to reluctant people. The attitude with Brokeback was "You should see this movie. No? Are you homophobic? You must be homophobic/hateful/closed-minded/etc" There was more than a "missing out" factor here and that's what the text about admonishing is getting at. It's something rather specific, because if I said I wasn't interested in the newest Tyler Perry movie, people wouldn't start accusing me of being a racist. Yet somehow with Brokeback the general atmosphere was that if you didn't see it, you were a horrible person. We don't have Bill O'Reilly talking about being a "barbarian" for not seeing Malcolm X, do we? In that interview he was talking about his friends trying to compel him to see the movie, and him standing firm and what the apparent reaction was. People were not feeling left out, but rather were feeling harangued by others for the simple fact that they were CHOOSING not to see the movie (yes, it's a choice. They weren't dodging the draft, but the attitude towards them for not watching it was far closer to that of avoiding a mandatory requirement). Now I feel like this is beginning to belabor the point, since the attitude is well-documented in the posts I had above and I don't want to waste my time scanning through movie chat forums (they're REALLY boring). Do a Google search for "won't see" "Brokeback" or something similar and you'll get plenty of hits that all express the general attitude. Even on the blog I linked to above, the person who made the anti-BM comment gets called out and others feel compelled to say things like "The BBM ites are out for blood. I don't want to end up with my dog dead or anything. I get the message!" -[[User:Foxtrot|Foxtrot]] 19:15, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
== Fact citations ==
== Fact citations ==
As much as possible, fact citations should be cleaned up and it would be good to work together to that end. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 13:58, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
As much as possible, fact citations should be cleaned up and it would be good to work together to that end. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 13:58, 8 October 2008 (EDT)