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:::I find it hard to believe Shamnesty knows anything. The entire Western world nations, Western hemisphere nations, America is the only torture state. I don't even want to split hairs on what torture is. Shining Path guerrilla group, S. American border conflicts, FARC, Venezuela.... no, America. America with more rights than any nation on Earth. HelpJazz, you pick just one too many battles. A newbie with the total contributions of -one-, picks torture to edit. But not just edit, slander the USA. You pick so-an-so's side over me? I will be wrong at times, I will admit it. Feel free to correct me. On the other hand, HelpJazz, your edits never get reverted. It says something about you. You are either very good, which I believe, or you have all the answers. Liberals, they hate Conservatives more than Al-qaeda. I don't trust a thing from them anymore. Give them the second over, not me. One last thing, those prying eavesdroppers listen up. Jesus is your Omega! --'''<font color="#6698FF">J</font><font color="#E41B17">p</font><font color="#F88017">a</font><font color="#347C17">t</font><font color="#A74AC7">t</font>'''<sup>[[User:Jpatt| ]]</sup> 22:04, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
:::I find it hard to believe Shamnesty knows anything. The entire Western world nations, Western hemisphere nations, America is the only torture state. I don't even want to split hairs on what torture is. Shining Path guerrilla group, S. American border conflicts, FARC, Venezuela.... no, America. America with more rights than any nation on Earth. HelpJazz, you pick just one too many battles. A newbie with the total contributions of -one-, picks torture to edit. But not just edit, slander the USA. You pick so-an-so's side over me? I will be wrong at times, I will admit it. Feel free to correct me. On the other hand, HelpJazz, your edits never get reverted. It says something about you. You are either very good, which I believe, or you have all the answers. Liberals, they hate Conservatives more than Al-qaeda. I don't trust a thing from them anymore. Give them the second over, not me. One last thing, those prying eavesdroppers listen up. Jesus is your Omega! --'''<font color="#6698FF">J</font><font color="#E41B17">p</font><font color="#F88017">a</font><font color="#347C17">t</font><font color="#A74AC7">t</font>'''<sup>[[User:Jpatt| ]]</sup> 22:04, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
::::Look, I didn't add the source back in, because I know enough that there are too many grey areas to definitively say that "[[United States]] are (sic) the only western country still using torture as an interrogation technique." I'm not arguing over the edit itself. What I was objecting to was your abject rejection of a liberal organization because it is "anti-American", and your contention that truthful information which shines a negative light on the US should be censored. Hiding truthful information (and again, I'm not talking about this specific edit) only makes us as conservatives look [[deceit|dishonest]], when instead we should say "yeah, bad things happened, but here's how a conservative would improve it". [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 22:32, 24 October 2008 (EDT)