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Talk:Essay:Rules of Chivalry for Students (view source)
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, 15:46, October 31, 2008→Reactionary to the Point of Absurdity
::::: While I'm here, I'll add some other thoughts. This essay has always bothered me, but I haven't been able to pin down exactly why. But I think I've just realised. When growing up I was lacking many of the societal norms (and I'm not here referring to secular vs. Christian), and wished that people had given me more advice such as in this essay sooner (and gentler) than they did. The problem is that these are very specific ''examples'' (e.g. baking biscuits (sorry, "cookies")), but they are presented as ''rules''. The ''rule'' is that you should be chivalrous. The essay points are merely ''examples'' on how to do that. And of course most of these apply equally to both sexes anyway (e.g. both males and females should pay compliments to both males and females, not just boys to girls). [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 11:15, 31 October 2008 (EDT)
::::: While I'm here, I'll add some other thoughts. This essay has always bothered me, but I haven't been able to pin down exactly why. But I think I've just realised. When growing up I was lacking many of the societal norms (and I'm not here referring to secular vs. Christian), and wished that people had given me more advice such as in this essay sooner (and gentler) than they did. The problem is that these are very specific ''examples'' (e.g. baking biscuits (sorry, "cookies")), but they are presented as ''rules''. The ''rule'' is that you should be chivalrous. The essay points are merely ''examples'' on how to do that. And of course most of these apply equally to both sexes anyway (e.g. both males and females should pay compliments to both males and females, not just boys to girls). [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 11:15, 31 October 2008 (EDT)
:::::::I still do not understand the core idea of treating boys and girls differently (that is, adults treating us differently) is appropriate. There is, as M. Rayment has shown, a rather public conversation (debate) going on about a test in a classroom. That is not being chivalrous, it is reinforcing stereotypes and in fact engendering the idea that boys are "better" than girls, not just "different". Why isn't there simply more emphasis on students treating *each other* well, regardless of their gender. I see nothing Christian about saying girls should not be challenged in the same way as boys; I do see tons of biblical ideas that no one should be a braggart. Love and Respect should be given for all students both from each other and the teacher, right? isn't that the core of Chivalry? treating people with respect and kindness?--[[User:JeanJacques|JeanJacques]] 11:46, 31 October 2008 (EDT)