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:::::::Bugler, please be careful with how you address those who Andy has placed in a position of authority.  While Philip's choice to unblock Dean's block was unfortunate, even Dean is careful in his wording not to denigrate Philip.  Philip has done much for this site and he should earn respect based upon his contributions even if there are issues where you personally don't agree with his decisions. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 16:06, 26 August 2008 (EDT)

:::::::Bugler, please be careful with how you address those who Andy has placed in a position of authority.  While Philip's choice to unblock Dean's block was unfortunate, even Dean is careful in his wording not to denigrate Philip.  Philip has done much for this site and he should earn respect based upon his contributions even if there are issues where you personally don't agree with his decisions. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 16:06, 26 August 2008 (EDT)

::::::::OK, LT, point taken. I will reply in a positive spirit by saying that I think DeanS is a very fine sysop, who has done a huge amount to make Conservapedia what it is, and I believe that the very least he deserves is for his peers to support rather than denigrate him. [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 17:43, 26 August 2008 (EDT)

::::::::OK, LT, point taken. I will reply in a positive spirit by saying that I think DeanS is a very fine sysop, who has done a huge amount to make Conservapedia what it is, and I believe that the very least he deserves is for his peers to support rather than denigrate him. [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 17:43, 26 August 2008 (EDT)

Bugler, I thank you for stating so frankly that you believe that it's okay to block based on, ummm, your "nose".  It's normal, however, for people enforcing rules to base their decisions on ''evidence''.  I'm also disappointed at your lack of imagination—that you are unable to think of another reason for me defending some editors, such as me wanting to be fair and just.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 09:48, 27 August 2008 (EDT)

Bugler, I thank you for stating so frankly that you believe that it's okay to block based on, ummm, your "nose".  It's normal, however, for people enforcing rules to base their decisions on ''evidence''.  I'm also disappointed at your lack of imagination—that you are unable to think of another reason for me defending some editors, such as me wanting to be fair and just.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 09:48, 27 August 2008 (EDT)

:Philip, the nose is a useful organ for sniffing out trouble and troublemakers. To suggest that I would block solely on this basis without evidence of troublemaking is at best disingenuous and at worst dishonest. And any sysop or admin who waits for troublemakers to present a neatly packaged file of vandalism, disruption and damage on his or her desk, for him or her to peruse and muse over for a while while considering a fair and just response, is about as much use as a chocolate fireguard. [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 04:26, 28 August 2008 (EDT)

:Philip, the nose is a useful organ for sniffing out trouble and troublemakers. To suggest that I would block solely on this basis without evidence of troublemaking is at best disingenuous and at worst dishonest. And any sysop or admin who waits for troublemakers to present a neatly packaged file of vandalism, disruption and damage on his or her desk, for him or her to peruse and muse over for a while while considering a fair and just response, is about as much use as a chocolate fireguard. [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 04:26, 28 August 2008 (EDT)

:: Yes, I agree that a nose, a gut feeling, or etc. is a useful way of detecting trouble and troublemakers.  Contrary to your opinion, I have detected troublemakers the same way myself.

:: Yes, I agree that a nose, a gut feeling, or etc. is a useful way of detecting trouble and troublemakers.  Contrary to your opinion, I have detected troublemakers the same way myself.

::Can we also add that Jonsen was unblocked by Bugler as an innocent party in this, and that Bugler blocked BRichtigen as an admin clearly intended to give a one month block for that offence, and that if Bugler is in the wrong at all, it is for unilaterally remitting BRichtigen's punishment by one week as a reward for owning up. But HelpJazz's version reads better, for the Bugler-bashing club. [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 14:41, 4 November 2008 (EST)

::Can we also add that Jonsen was unblocked by Bugler as an innocent party in this, and that Bugler blocked BRichtigen as an admin clearly intended to give a one month block for that offence, and that if Bugler is in the wrong at all, it is for unilaterally remitting BRichtigen's punishment by one week as a reward for owning up. But HelpJazz's version reads better, for the Bugler-bashing club. [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 14:41, 4 November 2008 (EST)

:::Of course, had you done the responsible thing and asked the relevant party about it, there would be nothing to bring up in our daily meeding of the BBC, would there? I'm not fabricating anything here. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 15:00, 4 November 2008 (EST)

:::Of course, had you done the responsible thing and asked the relevant party about it, there would be nothing to bring up in our daily meeding of the BBC, would there? I'm not fabricating anything here. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 15:00, 4 November 2008 (EST)

::::I was going to do it later. Then I asked for help and was pointedly refused. That is anti-collobaration.  

::::I was going to do it later. Then I asked for help and was pointedly refused. That is anti-collobaration.