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→Why must we be created by God: Yes, but not from direct logic; confusing perfection with other traits.
::Perhaps I should reword my question then: "Is humanity the ''direct'' creation of the ultimate creator?". It is perfectly plausible for us to be the creation of a creation (e.g. the Devil). The idea that everything must be originated directly or indirect from the ultimate creator bring up the question of its perfection. If God is indeed perfect then shouldn't everything he do be perfect? If so, he should be perfect at creating a perfect creation. This creation then must be too capable of perfect creation, would it not?--[[User:Aixer|Aixer]] 22:26, 5 November 2008 (EST)
::Perhaps I should reword my question then: "Is humanity the ''direct'' creation of the ultimate creator?". It is perfectly plausible for us to be the creation of a creation (e.g. the Devil). The idea that everything must be originated directly or indirect from the ultimate creator bring up the question of its perfection. If God is indeed perfect then shouldn't everything he do be perfect? If so, he should be perfect at creating a perfect creation. This creation then must be too capable of perfect creation, would it not?--[[User:Aixer|Aixer]] 22:26, 5 November 2008 (EST)
::: To your first question, I would say that humanity ''is'' a direct creation of God, although that is something that is deduced from evidence such as the Bible, not from straight logic, as the existence of God Himself can be deduced.
::: To your second question, you confuse perfection with other traits such as infallibility and invulnerability. If you build a "perfect" television, it's one that works without flaw, has no scratches or dents, doesn't break down or corrode, and so on. It doesn't mean that the television won't succumb to an attack from a sledgehammer.
::: God created a creation that was perfect, but one that had a special feature, the creatures that were the object of his creation, man, had the special feature of ''free will'', which is the ''ability'' to reject God, and thus deliberately introduce a defect. But just as a sledgehammer can introduce a defect into a perfect television, this doesn't mean that the creation was not perfect to begin with.
::: [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 01:09, 6 November 2008 (EST)