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:::That works for you, Learn together, as you are a trusted sysop. I trust what you say. However a personal testimony needs to go through the same rigorous test that a regular citation does (or, rather, that a regular citation ''should''). There's nothing to stop someone from saying "well I was there and I can say that the protesters didn't break the law," and we'd be at a standstill. Perhaps this particular case isn't the best example, but I hope I've shown that using personal references in principle can have unwanted outcomes elsewhere on the site. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 12:43, 7 November 2008 (EST)
:::That works for you, Learn together, as you are a trusted sysop. I trust what you say. However a personal testimony needs to go through the same rigorous test that a regular citation does (or, rather, that a regular citation ''should''). There's nothing to stop someone from saying "well I was there and I can say that the protesters didn't break the law," and we'd be at a standstill. Perhaps this particular case isn't the best example, but I hope I've shown that using personal references in principle can have unwanted outcomes elsewhere on the site. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 12:43, 7 November 2008 (EST)
:::That being said, I did find a reference, so now everyone should be happy :) [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 12:47, 7 November 2008 (EST)
:::That being said, I did find a reference, so now everyone should be happy :) [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 12:47, 7 November 2008 (EST)
:::Direct personal knowledge is inferior when putting together an encyclopedia, yes. Encyclopedias are generally supposed to be filled with facts, which are, in general, verifiable. Hearsay and personal anecdotes tend not to be verifiable. So when talking about facts, I'd prefer some confirmation from other sources, as opposed to someone heard it from someone else.--[[User:Jareddr|Jareddr]] 12:50, 7 November 2008 (EST)