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:I don't have a cite for this, I was simply writing what I learned in a Catholic upbrining. If this isn't universal across Christianity, then please add in the variants. I had included a justification for the position in anticipation of that possibility. -[[User:Foxtrot|Foxtrot]] 21:50, 14 November 2008 (EST)
 
:I don't have a cite for this, I was simply writing what I learned in a Catholic upbrining. If this isn't universal across Christianity, then please add in the variants. I had included a justification for the position in anticipation of that possibility. -[[User:Foxtrot|Foxtrot]] 21:50, 14 November 2008 (EST)
 
:: no, the church is a bit wibbly on the topic. There are a number of bible verses used to argue either way. I was taught the view that since Adam was alive after receiving the breath of life from God , that the infant was ensoulled at his first breath. A child who died at birth without breathing was considered stillborn and NOT a person. [[User:Markr|Markr]] 23:22, 14 November 2008 (EST)
 
:: no, the church is a bit wibbly on the topic. There are a number of bible verses used to argue either way. I was taught the view that since Adam was alive after receiving the breath of life from God , that the infant was ensoulled at his first breath. A child who died at birth without breathing was considered stillborn and NOT a person. [[User:Markr|Markr]] 23:22, 14 November 2008 (EST)
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:::That's an interesting interpretation of the Bible verse, but I'm worried about its implications. In particular, it seems to suggest that abortion is not murder because the baby hasn't breathed yet either. At least that seems to be the case in traditional abortion -- I'm a little vague on the dynamics of this partial-birth abortion stuff (but it sounds immorally cruel no matter what). Back to the main point, couldn't one argue that God created Adam and Eve as adults, so they weren't really born? They simply had life breathed into their bodies. It's a different dynamic with babies, who develop from embryos into children and finally adults. -[[User:Foxtrot|Foxtrot]] 23:28, 14 November 2008 (EST)
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