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Talk:Homosexuality and choice (view source)
Revision as of 12:21, November 21, 2008
, 12:21, November 21, 2008A long comment which can be revised and added to the article
Hate, disapprove, take your pick. My message is still the same.[[User:Kiss20|Kiss20]] 23:56 23 April 2008 (EST)
Hate, disapprove, take your pick. My message is still the same.[[User:Kiss20|Kiss20]] 23:56 23 April 2008 (EST)
:Along with the contradiction between their assertion that they don't need our approval but insist on our tolerance, there is another matter: whether [[free will]] and [[responsibility]] have any link to [[homosexuality]].
:The debate is between those saying homosexuality is okay and those saying it is bad. The simple religious reason that it is bad is because the Bible says so. There are also psychological and sociological evidence that the homosexual lifestyle is self-injurious, as well as harmful to society.
:The usual counter arguments are several:
:#That we are wrong in our interpretation of the Bible, that God wouldn't "make me gay" if it were bad, etc.
:#That none of the psychological problems homosexuals have are caused by their lifestyle but are merely the result of society's intolerance. (But the same problems occur to the same degree in "tolerant" communities and countries: San Francisco, Greenwich Village, Provincetown, Holland, etc.)
:Perhaps the biggest clash is between those arguing about choice. In regards to abortion, free will is exalted by liberals. They say both that the choice to get pregnant and the choice to abort the pregnancy must be respected. It is a conscious act of the free will, and whatever choice the woman (or girl) makes is okay. But in regards to homosexuality, inexplicably they deny that there is any element of choice. To have same-gender sex is a drive, a need, a compulsion too strong to resist; it bad for your health to try to eliminate it.
:Christians and psychologists who disagree with this advance different arguments, not always mutually supportive. Some Christians emphasize choice far above "environmental" factors, for example by dismissing upbringing. They recommend religious conversion and prayer: "I got saved, and Jesus took away all my sinful desires." Psychologists and sociologists who oppose homosexuality (a tiny and understandably fearful minority) recommend counseling and therapy. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 07:21, 21 November 2008 (EST)