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      Catwatcher has some good points but I think that his/her first premise is incorrect in as much as, God would not lead to an infinite regress of events because time itself was created along with matter at the same moment.  God, the being, existed before creation outside of what we know as time.  It is NOT like He exists forever, because our knowledge through physics of this dimension we know as "time," is limited to what we can study.  God is way beyond anything we can study, except with the tools He wanted us to study Him, namely the bible.  God entered into time when he created it.  Time is actually probably something that is irrelevant to God, except in the sense of our relation to it because he says the first shall be last and the last shall be first.  That implies that He only sees time as a human relevancy.  In other words, apart from His creation, time is meaningless and pointless to Him.

Catwatcher has some good points but I think that his/her first premise is incorrect in as much as, God would not lead to an infinite regress of events because time itself was created along with matter at the same moment.  God, the being, existed before creation outside of what we know as time.  It is NOT like He exists forever, because our knowledge through physics of this dimension we know as "time," is limited to what we can study.  God is way beyond anything we can study, except with the tools He wanted us to study Him, namely the bible.  God entered into time when he created it.  Time is actually probably something that is irrelevant to God, except in the sense of our relation to it because he says the first shall be last and the last shall be first.  That implies that He only sees time as a human relevancy.  In other words, apart from His creation, time is meaningless and pointless to Him.

  I believe the study of intelligent design is an avenue to reach a scientific audience with Gods plan.  I am VERY scientific, and I needed some science to point me in the right direction before I was saved.  It may be more important/relevant to a strict scientific community because it IS a scientific theory that has LOTS of evidence behind it.  And really, all other theories far short.  The most popular, evolution, for instance is not something we can study be the scientific method; But, I.D. is something we can witness all day long every single day.  Complex, information loaded "things" are over-loading our senses all the time.   

I believe the study of intelligent design is an avenue to reach a scientific audience with Gods plan.  I am VERY scientific, and I needed some science to point me in the right direction before I was saved.  It may be more important/relevant to a strict scientific community because it IS a scientific theory that has LOTS of evidence behind it.  And really, all other theories far short.  The most popular, evolution, for instance is not something we can study be the scientific method; But, I.D. is something we can witness all day long every single day.  Complex, information loaded "things" are over-loading our senses all the time.   

-matt

-matt

ID avoids discussion of the proposed creator and does not even posit a supernatural creator. This means that ID would allow a mundane creator (admittedly with some fairly spectacular technology) while not eliminating a creators God.  To me ID fails as a serious scientific theory because they attempt to restrict an obvious line of study, that of the creator. While that IS a valid option in forming a hypothesis it would seem to be unusual. [[User:Markr|Markr]] 16:37, 1 December 2008 (EST)

ID avoids discussion of the proposed creator and does not even posit a supernatural creator. This means that ID would allow a mundane creator (admittedly with some fairly spectacular technology) while not eliminating a creators God.  To me ID fails as a serious scientific theory because they attempt to restrict an obvious line of study, that of the creator. While that IS a valid option in forming a hypothesis it would seem to be unusual. [[User:Markr|Markr]] 16:37, 1 December 2008 (EST)