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My response to compromise proposal
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::To Bolly's defense, Bugler was the first to use the term "clique" in this discussion. And I would gladly be discussing this with Mr. Schlafly if he would participate in this conversation.--'' '''[[user:JArneal|<font color="#006666" >JArneal</font>]]''' '' 21:07, 2 December 2008 (EST)
 
::To Bolly's defense, Bugler was the first to use the term "clique" in this discussion. And I would gladly be discussing this with Mr. Schlafly if he would participate in this conversation.--'' '''[[user:JArneal|<font color="#006666" >JArneal</font>]]''' '' 21:07, 2 December 2008 (EST)
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=== My response to compromise proposal ===
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I thank Bolly for attempting to find a compromise.  I've never been one to accept compromising the truth with a lie, but this situation is not (as a whole) as black and white as that, so I'm prepared to consider suggestions.  However, I would make the following points:
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* Unless Andy agrees with a compromise, this is going nowhere.
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* I consider my actions and argument so far to already be a huge compromise.
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** I, along with most others (including administrators) who have expressed disagreement with the article, would like to see the entire section about Obama being a Muslim removed, along with other improvements.  (For example, the statement that Obama referred to the "57 states" is in there as an "insight", not as a blooper.)
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** That doesn't mean that there may not be a few valid points in that section that could be kept; just that that section as a whole should not be there.
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** Even if that section was to be kept, it should not be given such prominence, including above the table of contents.
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** Nevertheless, all I have tried to do ''so far'' is remove three spurious claims from that section.  Only removing three spurious claims when I believe the section as a whole should be removed already is in effect a massive compromise.  Yet the other side refuses to even accept ''that'' much!  And at the same time they have the gall to accuse ''us'' of not accepting compromise!
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[[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 21:33, 2 December 2008 (EST)
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