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Care to raise the stakes?
:How many people would have been murdered by Islamist terrorists in Mumbai had ordinary Indians been permitted to bear arms? [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 10:05, 8 December 2008 (EST)
:How many people would have been murdered by Islamist terrorists in Mumbai had ordinary Indians been permitted to bear arms? [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 10:05, 8 December 2008 (EST)
:::I'll try to find a source if noone else does first, but states with shall issue or easy to obtain concealed carry laws (and high gun ownership) have lower violent crime, especially rape. [[User:Sulli|Sulli]] 10:13, 8 December 2008 (EST)
:::I'll try to find a source if noone else does first, but states with shall issue or easy to obtain concealed carry laws (and high gun ownership) have lower violent crime, especially rape. [[User:Sulli|Sulli]] 10:13, 8 December 2008 (EST)
My question should be refined: what happens in a state (or country) '''after''' it adopts a "shall issue" policy on concealed handguns? We need to sort out conditions beforehand. The big question, of course, is whether we can reduce violent crime in the big metropolitan areas of the US by making it easier for law-abiding citizens to have and use guns. Note: this is controversial, with [[John Lott]] saying that more guns means less crime and "[[gun control]]" advocates saying it will lead to more crime and/or more accidents. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 10:18, 8 December 2008 (EST)