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::::I think we're arguing for the same side here, Andy.  I'm not disputing any statistics; that's my point.  The statistics are there ''plain as day'' that an armed citizenry opposes crime.  I would say it's just blind ignorance (or faulty logic) to believe otherwise as opposed to an abstraction.  [[User:JLauttamus|Jeffrey W. Lauttamus]][[User_talk:JLauttamus|<sub>Discussion</sub>]] 14:27, 16 December 2008 (EST)
 
::::I think we're arguing for the same side here, Andy.  I'm not disputing any statistics; that's my point.  The statistics are there ''plain as day'' that an armed citizenry opposes crime.  I would say it's just blind ignorance (or faulty logic) to believe otherwise as opposed to an abstraction.  [[User:JLauttamus|Jeffrey W. Lauttamus]][[User_talk:JLauttamus|<sub>Discussion</sub>]] 14:27, 16 December 2008 (EST)
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==Tweaking the Statistics==
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With all due deference to Andy's knowledge on the subject, I believe that it would be beneficial to consider reweighting the estimates for why people choose to remain liberal, despite superior arguments for conservatism, as follows:
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:* 25%: did not hear about conservative principles and the logic behind them until ''after'' they made up their mind, perhaps due to pervasive societal bias, and refuse to reconsider;
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:* 25%: refuse to rise above their personal temptations, often self-destructive, and refuse to accept conservative values that conflict with their personal desires like sexual promiscuity;
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:* 20%: were told off or disciplined once by a conservative, often a parent, and refuse to rise above the animosity;
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:* 10%: refuse to let go of their past, or let go of their desire for a sense of acceptance by liberal friends or teachers;
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:* 10%: mistakenly feel that conservative values and benefits are available only to those who are from an intact family, not realizing the availability and benefits to all, including children of divorced parents;
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:* 5%: bitterly unemployed, or having a salary or benefits that conservatives would reduce, such as public school teachers, and a refusal to rise above self-interest; and
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:* 5%: like an anarchist, genuinely want to believe in and propagate destructive ideas.
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The largest reason that people remain liberal is clearly their desire to have their immoral and atheistic actions become more socially acceptable so that they can justify such lifestyles to themselves and others.  Being disciplined by conservatives goes hand in hand with this - liberals do not like people pointing out that their lifestyle choices are wrong and detrimental to the country as a whole.  It is primarily conservatives who are willing to call a spade a spade and chastise immoral conduct.  I decreased the point about hearing about conservative principles later in life because the vast majority of United States citizens are raised in Christian churches and are taught the Bible's conservative principles from a young age.  It is only once they are school-aged that liberal indoctrination can begin.--[[User:Laches|Laches]] 14:48, 16 December 2008 (EST)
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