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Talk:Scientific controversy over the cause of AIDS (view source)
Revision as of 19:42, January 8, 2009
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::It's probably more important to debunk (or at least summarize) the work of [[Peter Duesberg]], the scientist who isolated the first [[cancer gene]] and mapped the genetic structure of [[retrovirus]]es. [http://www.duesberg.com/index.html] --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 17:17, 7 January 2009 (EST)
::It's probably more important to debunk (or at least summarize) the work of [[Peter Duesberg]], the scientist who isolated the first [[cancer gene]] and mapped the genetic structure of [[retrovirus]]es. [http://www.duesberg.com/index.html] --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 17:17, 7 January 2009 (EST)
:::I agree with Ed. Just listing the scientists does not explain why they have issue with the HIV/AIDS relationship. A person can make the claim that he or she does believe that chlorophy is what makes the leaves of plants green, however without providing a reason for their belief it is all but impossible to show why it may be false.--[[User:Able806|Able806]] 14:42, 8 January 2009 (EST)
==Koch's postulates not met?==
==Koch's postulates not met?==
Perhaps such a test is beyond medical science today. Still, the only way anyone could be convinced is if human tissue (e.g., a few live adult human cells donated from an adult) were infected in a laboratory environment and the effects of the HIV virus could be demonstrated to cause immuno-deficiency. The problem appears to be that there is no evidence of the HIV virus infection in the absence of any other possible AIDS causing mechanism. There are always other agents present in the disease vector. And it would be ethically impossible to inject a medically purified HIV virus sample into a human to test for such things. That sort of nightmare only happens in disease-of-the-week movies I hope. --[[User:RickD|RickD]] 00:23, 8 January 2009 (EST)
Perhaps such a test is beyond medical science today. Still, the only way anyone could be convinced is if human tissue (e.g., a few live adult human cells donated from an adult) were infected in a laboratory environment and the effects of the HIV virus could be demonstrated to cause immuno-deficiency. The problem appears to be that there is no evidence of the HIV virus infection in the absence of any other possible AIDS causing mechanism. There are always other agents present in the disease vector. And it would be ethically impossible to inject a medically purified HIV virus sample into a human to test for such things. That sort of nightmare only happens in disease-of-the-week movies I hope. --[[User:RickD|RickD]] 00:23, 8 January 2009 (EST)
:RickD, Koch's Postulates have been met, look at the main article.--[[User:Able806|Able806]] 10:40, 8 January 2009 (EST)
:RickD, Koch's Postulates have been met, look at the main article.--[[User:Able806|Able806]] 10:40, 8 January 2009 (EST)