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:Well, Alex, I have the know how, however I can verify this is true.  Self replicating molecules are quiet common; it is a basic chemical principle that relies on lowest energy states for a molecule.  RNA is a self replicator due to RNA replicase, in fact many biochemical processes rely on going from a higher energy state to a lower more stable state (which are more order in the environment of the cell).  The Spiegelman Monster is another great example of self replication at a higher level.  A great experiment with lots of information can be found [http://www.mpibpc.mpg.de/groups/biebricher/evolution_in_vitro.html here].  I am sorry but this topic has been around and tested quiet thoroughly, to the point that we know exactly what atom bonds where to allow for the replication.  Chance of RNA replicase forming naturally from just nucleotides is 1 out of 7.9*10^29, seems like a lot but when you place it in perspective of time this is very feasible due to bonding rate of nucleotides being in nanoseconds. Now there have not been any successes with creating an artificial cell that replicates.  The Spiegelman Monster was a virus, not a full cell.  Perhaps that might be an area to look?  Hope this helps.--[[User:Able806|Able806]] 14:13, 12 January 2009 (EST)
 
:Well, Alex, I have the know how, however I can verify this is true.  Self replicating molecules are quiet common; it is a basic chemical principle that relies on lowest energy states for a molecule.  RNA is a self replicator due to RNA replicase, in fact many biochemical processes rely on going from a higher energy state to a lower more stable state (which are more order in the environment of the cell).  The Spiegelman Monster is another great example of self replication at a higher level.  A great experiment with lots of information can be found [http://www.mpibpc.mpg.de/groups/biebricher/evolution_in_vitro.html here].  I am sorry but this topic has been around and tested quiet thoroughly, to the point that we know exactly what atom bonds where to allow for the replication.  Chance of RNA replicase forming naturally from just nucleotides is 1 out of 7.9*10^29, seems like a lot but when you place it in perspective of time this is very feasible due to bonding rate of nucleotides being in nanoseconds. Now there have not been any successes with creating an artificial cell that replicates.  The Spiegelman Monster was a virus, not a full cell.  Perhaps that might be an area to look?  Hope this helps.--[[User:Able806|Able806]] 14:13, 12 January 2009 (EST)
 
::So it's not even remotely similar to life, it's more like a burning fire or rusting metal. How then can these people get away with running around claiming it's "life 2.0" when it's nothing more than a basic chemical reaction that continues as long as they  feed it raw materials? --[[User:AlexC|AlexC]] 10:30, 13 January 2009 (EST)
 
::So it's not even remotely similar to life, it's more like a burning fire or rusting metal. How then can these people get away with running around claiming it's "life 2.0" when it's nothing more than a basic chemical reaction that continues as long as they  feed it raw materials? --[[User:AlexC|AlexC]] 10:30, 13 January 2009 (EST)
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::: Neither is it the result of random processes, per evolution, but the result of intelligent design: "''And now so can a set of custom-designed chemicals.''".  But the evolutionists somehow claim it to be a win for evolution!  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 04:51, 14 January 2009 (EST)
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