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:But none the less, abstinence is still better than the vaccine. No costs, no unwanted side effects. These factors would also have the feedback effect of encouraging abstinence in those who previously may not have considered it; so there is a bonus for both the individual and general morality in society. [[User:ETrundel|ETrundel]] 13:04, 13 January 2009 (EST)
:But none the less, abstinence is still better than the vaccine. No costs, no unwanted side effects. These factors would also have the feedback effect of encouraging abstinence in those who previously may not have considered it; so there is a bonus for both the individual and general morality in society. [[User:ETrundel|ETrundel]] 13:04, 13 January 2009 (EST)
::This thread has gone on some tangents, so it's worth recapping the sensible points that were made more clearly. Abstinence and being faithful in marriage are the best ways to avoid contracting an STD, period. Unfortunately, people lie and cheat, and it's little comfort knowing you did the right thing when you find out your spouse did not. Many good, virtuous people find themselves not just the victim of adultery when a spouse cheats or lies about their past, but also the recipient of STDs through no fault of their own. A vaccine against a single, common STD is not a license to be promiscuous - herpes and HIV make that point clear - but it is sensible insurance against finding yourself with a cancer-causing disease through no fault of your own. Passing on that insurance because you expect nothing to go wrong in your life is like passing on auto insurance because you're a safe, responsible driver - and forgetting that ''the other guy'' can cause accidents, too. --[[User:DinsdaleP|DinsdaleP]] 20:41, 13 January 2009 (EST)
::This thread has gone on some tangents, so it's worth recapping the sensible points that were made more clearly. Abstinence and being faithful in marriage are the best ways to avoid contracting an STD, period. Unfortunately, people lie and cheat, and it's little comfort knowing you did the right thing when you find out your spouse did not. Many good, virtuous people find themselves not just the victim of adultery when a spouse cheats or lies about their past, but also the recipient of STDs through no fault of their own. A vaccine against a single, common STD is not a license to be promiscuous - herpes and HIV make that point clear - but it is sensible insurance against finding yourself with a cancer-causing disease through no fault of your own. Passing on that insurance because you expect nothing to go wrong in your life is like passing on auto insurance because you're a safe, responsible driver - and forgetting that ''the other guy'' can cause accidents, too. --[[User:DinsdaleP|DinsdaleP]] 20:41, 13 January 2009 (EST)
Just a comment as I pop in, but I think the anti-abstinence arguments being made here are 100%, Grade A stupid. "The husband didn't practice abstinence, so the abstinent wife wasn't 100% protected from HPV." "The mother wasn't abstinent, so her 'abstinent' newborn wasn't 100% protected from HPV." Really? I mean, really? That's the sort of illogic you guys are sticking with? That's like saying, "Well, the first driver was wearing his seatbelt, but the other driver wasn't and he killed the first driver when he was thrown through both windshields. Thus, seat belts don't save lives!" [[User:Jinxmchue|Jinxmchue]] 15:49, 14 January 2009 (EST)
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