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:::That's an interesting interpretation of the Bible verse, but I'm worried about its implications. In particular, it seems to suggest that abortion is not murder because the baby hasn't breathed yet either. At least that seems to be the case in traditional abortion -- I'm a little vague on the dynamics of this partial-birth abortion stuff (but it sounds immorally cruel no matter what). Back to the main point, couldn't one argue that God created Adam and Eve as adults, so they weren't really born? They simply had life breathed into their bodies. It's a different dynamic with babies, who develop from embryos into children and finally adults. -[[User:Foxtrot|Foxtrot]] 23:28, 14 November 2008 (EST)

:::That's an interesting interpretation of the Bible verse, but I'm worried about its implications. In particular, it seems to suggest that abortion is not murder because the baby hasn't breathed yet either. At least that seems to be the case in traditional abortion -- I'm a little vague on the dynamics of this partial-birth abortion stuff (but it sounds immorally cruel no matter what). Back to the main point, couldn't one argue that God created Adam and Eve as adults, so they weren't really born? They simply had life breathed into their bodies. It's a different dynamic with babies, who develop from embryos into children and finally adults. -[[User:Foxtrot|Foxtrot]] 23:28, 14 November 2008 (EST)

:::: Certainly its a point of contention , and with no clear Bible support for either argument it will probably continue. I found some refs that stated the Jewish religion follows the soul at birth, and therefore abortion wasnt an issue at all. If one assumes the early christian church followed jewish law then it becomes more significant. Its interesting that the Catholic church did not require(allow?) church services for misscarriages or stillborn infants, I dont know if thats still the case. Any infant death prior to babtism was problematic. [[User:Markr|Markr]] 23:36, 14 November 2008 (EST)

:::: Certainly its a point of contention , and with no clear Bible support for either argument it will probably continue. I found some refs that stated the Jewish religion follows the soul at birth, and therefore abortion wasnt an issue at all. If one assumes the early christian church followed jewish law then it becomes more significant. Its interesting that the Catholic church did not require(allow?) church services for misscarriages or stillborn infants, I dont know if thats still the case. Any infant death prior to babtism was problematic. [[User:Markr|Markr]] 23:36, 14 November 2008 (EST)