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Talk:World History Lecture Three (view source)
Revision as of 01:34, February 12, 2009
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:::Are we still denying the fixed rudder as a Chinese innovation? And can there be a word further than "invent". Neither the cultivation of bamboo and its development as a source of artifacts; nor the development of silk, can be classed as an "invention" under the generally held meaning of the word. An example is Watt's development of a working practical steam engine is not normally considered an "invention".[[User:AlanE|AlanE]] 17:31, 11 February 2009 (EST)
:::Are we still denying the fixed rudder as a Chinese innovation? And can there be a word further than "invent". Neither the cultivation of bamboo and its development as a source of artifacts; nor the development of silk, can be classed as an "invention" under the generally held meaning of the word. An example is Watt's development of a working practical steam engine is not normally considered an "invention".[[User:AlanE|AlanE]] 17:31, 11 February 2009 (EST)
::::You have the right word at the start, "innovation." Adapting or developing things in new ways is usually called innovating, as opposed to creating something entirely new, inventing. [[User:ReneeStJ|ReneeStJ]] 19:30, 11 February 2009 (EST)
::::You have the right word at the start, "innovation." Adapting or developing things in new ways is usually called innovating, as opposed to creating something entirely new, inventing. [[User:ReneeStJ|ReneeStJ]] 19:30, 11 February 2009 (EST)
==Indus Civilization==
*(1) My ''Penguin Dictionary of Archaeology'' describes the Aryans as "''the people of the Rig Veda who invaded Iran and India from the northwest in the later 2nd millenium B.C. By one theory they were responsible for the downfall of the Indus Civilisation. Their language was an early form of Sanskrit, the most easterly of the Indo-European tongues.''" Who are these "''Aryans''" you mention that arrived in 3000 - over 1000 years before the first recorded evidence of Indo-Europeans into history.
*(2) The edit of mine this morning (which corrected, not "censored" the article) was a paraphrase of the "''Times Atlas of Archaeology''" page on the Cities of the Indus. It has the Aryan Invasion much earlier than Penguin, but is based on more up-to-date scholarship. It makes no mention at all of an earlier Aryan invasion. Neither does any reference work I have ever read. The page on "Early Farming in South Asia" covers the period in that area up to the development of townships - no mention of any Aryan incursion. Indeed it talks about "indigenous" development.
*(3)In the other half dozen or so references I have dug up since returning home and finding your reversion, I can not find any reference at all to Aryans/Indo Europeans entering what would become the "Known world" before about 2000 B.C. (although there is obviously a "homeland" before they went their separate ways.
:I request that you consider reinstating at least the intent of my edit, or at least give some reference for your statement about these "3000B.C. Aryans". I really am trying to help here...as mentioned re the China article, I would have tried to discuss this before I edited but the page was locked. [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] 20:34, 11 February 2009 (EST)