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: But the objections in this entry have more to do with simply awkward or outright mistaken translations.  "Grain ... produces much fruit"???  How is that possibly defensible?  It such an important passage, too.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 21:00, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 
: But the objections in this entry have more to do with simply awkward or outright mistaken translations.  "Grain ... produces much fruit"???  How is that possibly defensible?  It such an important passage, too.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 21:00, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 
::I agree there are a handful of awkward places like "fruit" (the problem is that "fruit" has multiple meanings.) The OT Prophets books I worked on were much improved in the new version.  The Vatican in those days had some oddball and "liberalism" was not at issue. More serious was the idea that Americans would replace the Douai version which had many vested interests in terms of book publishers, as well as old-fashioned clergy who really liked the wholly outdated Doua1 language. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 21:07, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 
::I agree there are a handful of awkward places like "fruit" (the problem is that "fruit" has multiple meanings.) The OT Prophets books I worked on were much improved in the new version.  The Vatican in those days had some oddball and "liberalism" was not at issue. More serious was the idea that Americans would replace the Douai version which had many vested interests in terms of book publishers, as well as old-fashioned clergy who really liked the wholly outdated Doua1 language. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 21:07, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
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::: The word "fruit" has a figurative meaning ... when used figuratively, as in "bears fruit."  But the phrase "produces much ..." is not a figurative phrase.  "Produces much fruit" is simply wrong here in connection with "grain".
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::: Unfortunately, this is not an isolated example.  Numerous atrocious translations in key passages in this translations, passages that are heavily used in official church readings, suggest real problems with this translation effort.  This really does cry out for an explanation of what happened.  (I'm not blaming you for this!)--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 23:31, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
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