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Talk:World History Lecture Eleven (view source)
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, 14:49, April 24, 2009→Regarding Trotsky
::NicholasT explained how this wasn't Trotsky's motto, but the motto of Stalin as seen by Trotsky. He made it clear that Trotsky didn't endorse this motto
::NicholasT explained how this wasn't Trotsky's motto, but the motto of Stalin as seen by Trotsky. He made it clear that Trotsky didn't endorse this motto
::In lecture 12, you state that Orwell fought in Spain ''against both the communists and Franco’s fascists''. But Orwell was member of a Trotskystic group. So, Orwell ''was'' a communist, wasn't he? [[User:ClementB|Clement ♗]] 09:10, 24 April 2009 (EDT)
::In lecture 12, you state that Orwell fought in Spain ''against both the communists and Franco’s fascists''. But Orwell was member of a Trotskystic group. So, Orwell ''was'' a communist, wasn't he? [[User:ClementB|Clement ♗]] 09:10, 24 April 2009 (EDT)
:: Regarding the bible verse: ''"He that will not work shall not eat"'' can be found in Paul's second letter to the Thessalonians [http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Thess%203:10;&version=31;2 Thessalonians 3:10]
::As for Trotsky: I may have not expressed myself well enough. ''"Those who do not obey do not eat"'' was no one's famous motto. The official motto of the Soviet Union under Stalin was ''"He who does not work, neither should he eat"''. Trotsky wrote a book in 1937 entitled "The Revolution Betrayed" in which he condemns Stalin's use of brutality within the state as an oppressive regime. In it he cites specifically Stalin's act of advising local organs to not give work to anyone sympathetic with Trotsky. Trotsky goes on to state that the lack of employment options led to followers of his philosophy lacking money, and in turn food, and leading to starvation. Trotsky says the the old motto of "who does not work shall not eat" had been replaced by Stalin with ''"Those who do not obey do not eat."''.
::My main point is this: ''"Those who do not obey do not eat."'' was not Trotsky's motto or Stalin's motto. It is a statement from a book Trotsky wrote just before his death. Trotsky claimed it to be Stalin's new motto as a point of rhetoric in an argument against Stalin's brutal methods, specifically against the Bolsheviks and supporters of Trotsky. ''"Those who do not obey do not eat."'' might be what happens when a communist dictator is in command, but as far as Trotsky is concerned it was a specific reference to Stalin's starving out of his followers and Trotsky believed it to be the wrong way to run a government. --[[User:NicholasT|NicholasT]] 10:49, 24 April 2009 (EDT)