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| | ::I don't have a overarching opinion on that, because there's more than one context. For exampke, KJV uses 'sons of God' in clear references to male persons only (ie Genesis 6:2) and to translate the Greek τέκνα θεοῦ (of John 3:1 and elsewhere), which absolutely, 100% really does mean 'children of God'. So, sometimes gender-neutral terms *are* correct, and I think we need to refer to the original text in *every* case. [[User:AdeleM|AdeleM]] 14:36, 7 November 2009 (EST) | | ::I don't have a overarching opinion on that, because there's more than one context. For exampke, KJV uses 'sons of God' in clear references to male persons only (ie Genesis 6:2) and to translate the Greek τέκνα θεοῦ (of John 3:1 and elsewhere), which absolutely, 100% really does mean 'children of God'. So, sometimes gender-neutral terms *are* correct, and I think we need to refer to the original text in *every* case. [[User:AdeleM|AdeleM]] 14:36, 7 November 2009 (EST) |
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| | + | :::That's fine, but I can't imagine ''any'' of the texts to mean "children of God." Rather, that appears to be obvious gender-neutralizing.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 14:56, 7 November 2009 (EST) |
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| | ==Chapter 3, Verses 18-20== | | ==Chapter 3, Verses 18-20== |
| − | 18. In Greek, the words are εὐηγγελίζετο (could be translated 'preached Good News' or 'evangelized' or just 'preached' and παρακαλῶν parakalōn (exhortations or encouragements). The word 'warning' is just not there. | + | 18. In Greek, the words are εὐηγγελίζετο (could be translated 'preached Good News' or 'evangelized' or just 'preached' and παρακαλῶν parakalōn (exhortations or encouragements). The word 'warning' is just not there. |
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| | 19. It's a little more complicted than that. Herodias was divorced by Philip and then married Herod Antipas. John's objection was to the fact Herod had married a woman who was the ex-wife of his still-living brother, a condition not permitted in Jewish law. So, the reprove was for an unlawful marriage, and, by extension open fornication, but not adultery. | | 19. It's a little more complicted than that. Herodias was divorced by Philip and then married Herod Antipas. John's objection was to the fact Herod had married a woman who was the ex-wife of his still-living brother, a condition not permitted in Jewish law. So, the reprove was for an unlawful marriage, and, by extension open fornication, but not adultery. |
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| | 20. No. The word censor is not in the original, and by throwing John into prison, he did a lot more than that.[[User:AdeleM|AdeleM]] 14:38, 7 November 2009 (EST) | | 20. No. The word censor is not in the original, and by throwing John into prison, he did a lot more than that.[[User:AdeleM|AdeleM]] 14:38, 7 November 2009 (EST) |
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| | + | :Excellent points, but the primary meaning of "exhortation" and "Parakaleo" is to admonish, not comfort. |
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| | + | :In verse 19, a better word than adultery to describe the objection would be fine, if one exists in English, but just omitting it altogether seems to leave the reader wondering what the fuss is about. |
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| | + | :In verse 20, the Greek word is "katakleiðw", which literally means to "shut up," presumably both physically and in connection with communicating, the point of the verse.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 14:56, 7 November 2009 (EST) |