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:In verse 20, the Greek word is "katakleiðw", which literally means to "shut up," presumably both physically and in connection with communicating, the point of the verse.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 14:56, 7 November 2009 (EST)
 
:In verse 20, the Greek word is "katakleiðw", which literally means to "shut up," presumably both physically and in connection with communicating, the point of the verse.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 14:56, 7 November 2009 (EST)
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::On 'exhortation'-- I have no problem with 'admonish'-- just with 'warning', which means something a little more specific.
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::On verse 19-- please see my edit-- I agree it's not very obvious, but 'adultery' is a bit clumsy in this context.
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:: on verse 20: Nope-- "shut up" means two things in modern English, but the Greek κατακλείω only has the sense of 'incarcerate'. (Honestly, I don't think *any* reader could miss the fact that John is being silenced-- no need to belabour the point.)  [[User:AdeleM|AdeleM]] 15:30, 7 November 2009 (EST)
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