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Talk:Essay:Quantifying Order (view source)
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, 14:50, November 23, 2009→Science and the Bible: Mark was a young boy who wrote about what he witnessed. Young boys are not out on dangerous boats in the middle of the night, so Mark didn't see the walking on water.
The talk page has been filled with quite a lively discussion. While the scientific arguments are interesting, they have been based on the assumption of this article: modern physics will help us understand the Bible. But, does someone really read the two feeding stories in Mark, and conclude that, ergo, order has won out over disorder? I highly doubt it. When Peter attempts to walk on the water in Matthew, is the reader really wondering if gravity or the "disordering" action of wind and wave caused him to fail? I would say - not likely. (A better question might be: Why does Mark not have Peter attempt to walk on the water?) As for John 1:1, the discussion concerning the logos has been equally lively, but the translation of logos as "perfect order" doesn't seem to be the best, especially if it is used to drag modern physics into it. The term logos, by the time of John, had had a long philosophical history, and it is to that history and to Greek philosophy that we should turn in order to understand it, and to put it into its proper context. - Danielitld
The talk page has been filled with quite a lively discussion. While the scientific arguments are interesting, they have been based on the assumption of this article: modern physics will help us understand the Bible. But, does someone really read the two feeding stories in Mark, and conclude that, ergo, order has won out over disorder? I highly doubt it. When Peter attempts to walk on the water in Matthew, is the reader really wondering if gravity or the "disordering" action of wind and wave caused him to fail? I would say - not likely. (A better question might be: Why does Mark not have Peter attempt to walk on the water?) As for John 1:1, the discussion concerning the logos has been equally lively, but the translation of logos as "perfect order" doesn't seem to be the best, especially if it is used to drag modern physics into it. The term logos, by the time of John, had had a long philosophical history, and it is to that history and to Greek philosophy that we should turn in order to understand it, and to put it into its proper context. - Danielitld
:Daniel, I have an open mind about this, and discussions are enlightening. I don't see any reason to place limits or boundaries on the Bible, and the remarkable insights that can be gleaned from it. Newton used daily, and that can hardly be criticized in light of his prodigious scientific output. Shouldn't modern scientific inquiry imitate Newton's productive approach? I think it should.
:Mark was a young boy who wrote about what he witnessed. Young boys are not out on dangerous boats in the middle of the night, so Mark didn't see the walking on water. As to translating "logos", John was trying to communicate the truth there and the Greek was inadequate. I don't think a scientific connotation should be automatically ruled out. Science is, after all, part of truth. But I welcome your views.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 09:50, 23 November 2009 (EST)