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Talk:Luke 1-8 (Translated) (view source)
Revision as of 01:45, December 21, 2009
, 01:45, December 21, 2009Luke 7:24: Good insights, but the question has to be rhetorical in begging an answer of "no" in order to fit with the next rhetorical question, which also plainly has a "no" answer.
::Kalamos refers to a reed or something made of reeds. Even when it refers to a staff, it's a reed staff. The reed staff is one of John's symbols. However, in the context of the subsequent verses, which emphasize a contrast (a well-dressed man?, no) or parallel (a prophet? yes) to the person of John, it strikes me that "a reed" is a fine translation for kalamos here. Anemos is a wind or gale. Saleuo here is a passive participle that I read as "shook" or "shaken." It seems to me that this sentence is written in the same sense as 25 in that it's meant rhetorically as a contrast to the person of John. I render the sentence exactly as the KJV: A reed shaken with the wind? He was literally as a reed being shaken by the wind while wandering in the desert, but he was also a prophet heralding the coming of Christ's ministry. [[User:Cambrian|Cambrian]] 20:32, 20 December 2009 (EST)
::Kalamos refers to a reed or something made of reeds. Even when it refers to a staff, it's a reed staff. The reed staff is one of John's symbols. However, in the context of the subsequent verses, which emphasize a contrast (a well-dressed man?, no) or parallel (a prophet? yes) to the person of John, it strikes me that "a reed" is a fine translation for kalamos here. Anemos is a wind or gale. Saleuo here is a passive participle that I read as "shook" or "shaken." It seems to me that this sentence is written in the same sense as 25 in that it's meant rhetorically as a contrast to the person of John. I render the sentence exactly as the KJV: A reed shaken with the wind? He was literally as a reed being shaken by the wind while wandering in the desert, but he was also a prophet heralding the coming of Christ's ministry. [[User:Cambrian|Cambrian]] 20:32, 20 December 2009 (EST)
Cambrian, it's always a pleasure to hear from somebody who knows, or is taking Greek. I only wish I could find koine Greek night classes in San Francisco! I agree with your suggestion that "broken" be changed back to "shaken" - they have very different metaphorical meanings. I hear a "reed shaken by the elements," and I think of something fragile and weak up against a brutal and uncaring world, which nonetheless endures - do I have that right? [[User:JacobB|JacobB]] 20:43, 20 December 2009 (EST)
Cambrian, it's always a pleasure to hear from somebody who knows, or is taking Greek. I only wish I could find koine Greek night classes in San Francisco! I agree with your suggestion that "broken" be changed back to "shaken" - they have very different metaphorical meanings. I hear a "reed shaken by the elements," and I think of something fragile and weak up against a brutal and uncaring world, which nonetheless endures - do I have that right? [[User:JacobB|JacobB]] 20:43, 20 December 2009 (EST)
::(Edit conflict) Good insights, but the question has to be rhetorical in begging an answer of "no" in order to fit with the next rhetorical question, which also plainly has a "no" answer. So first question cannot beg an answer of "yes", and the reed cannot refer to John being shaken. It could mean John NOT being shaken as a reed bends in the wind.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 20:45, 20 December 2009 (EST)