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Talk:Young mass murderers (view source)
Revision as of 16:17, February 19, 2010
, 16:17, February 19, 2010→Serial killer vs. mass murder
:Second, you have to put mass murderers in a proper context no matter who they are. Amy Bishop was not a "serial killer"; prior to the UAH incident she is on record of killing one person, and it has been dismissed as an accident; we have to list it as an accident until proven otherwise. John List killed off his entire family in 1971; he was pro-God and a devout Lutheran. This keeps him out of this article but it still makes him every bit a mass murderer as the others. The same with Charles Whitman, who killed 14 at the University of Texas in Austin; a brain tumor was found to have played a role in his case.
:Second, you have to put mass murderers in a proper context no matter who they are. Amy Bishop was not a "serial killer"; prior to the UAH incident she is on record of killing one person, and it has been dismissed as an accident; we have to list it as an accident until proven otherwise. John List killed off his entire family in 1971; he was pro-God and a devout Lutheran. This keeps him out of this article but it still makes him every bit a mass murderer as the others. The same with Charles Whitman, who killed 14 at the University of Texas in Austin; a brain tumor was found to have played a role in his case.
:Third, we have to know the differences between a mass murderer, a serial killer, and a spree killer. A mass murderer kills multiple people at one location and at one time (James Huberty, Richard Speck, Columbine killers, etc). A serial killer kills total strangers at differing locations, at different times, with a "cooling-off" period between murders, and usually with a personal gratification (John Gacy, Ted Bundy, Richard Ramirez). A spree killer kills people at random in a disorganized manner during a short period of time (Andrew Cunanan, Beltway sniper, Virgina Tech killer). [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 14:28, 18 February 2010 (EST)
:Third, we have to know the differences between a mass murderer, a serial killer, and a spree killer. A mass murderer kills multiple people at one location and at one time (James Huberty, Richard Speck, Columbine killers, etc). A serial killer kills total strangers at differing locations, at different times, with a "cooling-off" period between murders, and usually with a personal gratification (John Gacy, Ted Bundy, Richard Ramirez). A spree killer kills people at random in a disorganized manner during a short period of time (Andrew Cunanan, Beltway sniper, Virgina Tech killer). [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 14:28, 18 February 2010 (EST)
::But at the moment, the article is titled ''young mass murderers''. For me, it seems to be more of an essay, as it has a clear intention, namely to show
:::'''young mass murderers are liberals.'''
::Due to the somewhat arcane selection of examples as to be seen on this talk page, it only makes the point
:::'''liberal mass murderers are liberals.'''
::There are a couple of ways to solve this:
::#keep the title and include all young mass murderers. In this case, at least the name of Amy Bishop has to be dropped
::#change the title according to Karajou's proposal to something like ''liberal mass murderers''.In this case, the question will arise whether there should be an article on ''unliberal mass murderers''.
::#follow JeffT's wishes and move the article to ''public schooled mass murderers''. As there are comparatively few home schoolers, this seems not to be a such a good option - it's like writing an article on ''Chinese murderers in Bejing''
::#name the article ''mass murderers'', make a short introduction that it isn't about [[genocide]] and [[terrorist attacks]] - and include ''all'' examples, even those mentioned by Karajou. Perhaps the entries could be color-coded according to their belief system?
::[[User:PhilG|PhilG]] 11:17, 19 February 2010 (EST)