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Jacob's edits are now the current version, and I have agreed not to revert them myself. However, I am requesting that others involved in this project read through the comments above and the verses in question, and provide guidance as to whether the inserted union references should be retained or removed. Thanks. --[[User:ChrisY|ChrisY]] 11:35, 28 January 2010 (EST)
Jacob's edits are now the current version, and I have agreed not to revert them myself. However, I am requesting that others involved in this project read through the comments above and the verses in question, and provide guidance as to whether the inserted union references should be retained or removed. Thanks. --[[User:ChrisY|ChrisY]] 11:35, 28 January 2010 (EST)
== Use of "Establishment" in Chapter 22 ==
Substituting "Establishment" for "Chief Priests and scribes" may work in other contexts, but in this passage it may create confusion because of where the story is heading. When I think of this period and setting, there are two groups that could be thought of as "the Establishment": the Pharisees and other entrenched religious leadership of the Jews, and the Roman government who actually controlled the lands these people lived in. <br/>
Jesus did not let his message get caught up much in the politics of the time (although he's been shown to be ''very'' politically savvy), because his lessons were meant to transcend the politics of any one period and last for as long as mankind lives on Earth. The Roman leadership was not too concerned about what Jesus was teaching, because he never spoke directly against their rule.<br/>
The groups most threatened by what Jesus was teaching were the Pharisees and other entrenched religious leadership, who were certainly "the establishment" in the religious sense, and acting as the middlemen people had to go through in matters concerning God. The hypocrites among them were particularly targeted by Jesus for scorn and harsh rebuke in his lectures, and as the Catholic Church felt about Martin Luther, they considered him a threat to their entrenched ways rather than a constructive critic trying to show them the way to get back on the right moral path.<br/>
I realize I'm being wordy, but I wanted to explain my reasoning fully - contemporary readers see "the establishment" as being the political establishment, but the Romans were not the ones out to get Jesus. If the word really needs to be replaced (and it doesn't seem like there's a real need here), I'd suggest "religious establishment" since that focuses the reader on the proper group who will eventually be behind Jesus' arrest and death sentence. --[[User:ChrisY|ChrisY]] 20:19, 20 February 2010 (EST)