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Line 1: − + − − This list is in need of major clean-up. [[User:Jinxmchue|Jinx McHue]] 13:06, 19 December 2009 (EST) − − :Please proceed as you suggest. Thanks!--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 13:29, 19 December 2009 (EST) − − ::Okay. I'll get to it when I have time after this weekend. [[User:Jinxmchue|Jinx McHue]] 11:00, 20 December 2009 (EST) − − == Here's an interesting article by Roger Ebert == − − Anyone agree with his choices? I don't want to add any unless people agree with them. [[User:JRobbe|JRobbe]] − − http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060105/EDITOR/60106001 − − :Interesting article, The choices seem to be by someone else (Feder?), but the list is interesting. Feel free to add those that you think merit it. It's seems like a legitimate list, though I saw only one of the films mentioned.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 20:59, 5 January 2010 (EST) − − You're right, my mistake, it was Don Feder who originally wrote the list. Coach Carter is the only one I've seen, and I definitely agree that it has a conservative message. I'll add it, and if anyone has any qualms please feel free to change it. Since I haven't seen the others, I'll let someone with more knowledge of the films determine if they qualify to be on this list. [[User:JRobbe|JRobbe]] − − : Oh, I see, that's '''Don Feder'''. We previously recognized him with an honorable mention in [[Essay:Conservatives of the Decade]]. All his choices are likely good. I can confirm that Feder is right about "Batman Begins," and I doubt Feder mishits on any of his choices.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 21:18, 5 January 2010 (EST) − − − == Fargo == − The directors are liberal (Cohen brothers), much sensationalized bloodshed and terror- some of the reasons I didn't know if this was fit for "Greatest". What say you?--[[User:Jpatt|Jpatt]] 00:53, 7 January 2010 (EST) − ::I disliked the movie intensely --it portrays our rural part of the world in very negative terms--and did not see much conservative about it. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 02:04, 7 January 2010 (EST) − − Although Fargo is one of my favorite movies, I wouldn't say for a second that it's conservative. At the same time, I wouldn't argue that it's liberal. I don't see much of a political agenda in the film.[[User:JRobbe|JRobbe]] − − :Let's toss it then. Whoever recommended it can't even spell "pious". (Don't take that personally if the poster is legitimate!).--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 18:51, 7 January 2010 (EST) − − == Pillow Talk? == − − How does a leading man slapping a leading lady square up any way with conservative values and [[chivalry]]? [[User:Tyrone|Tyrone]] 16:08, 17 January 2010 (EST) − − :A movie free of feminist thought-policing is on the list because ... conservatives do not support the feminist distortions. Understand it now?--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 16:29, 17 January 2010 (EST) − ::No. On the chivalry page, you wrote that chivalry includes "men opening doors for women" and "protection of the weaker elements of society." [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Chivalry&diff=prev&oldid=502110] How does feminism have anything to do with the perceived conservative action of physically assaulting a woman? [[User:Tyrone|Tyrone]] 16:34, 17 January 2010 (EST) − I'm not sure I agree with it's inclusion, but for a different reason. The whole movie is basically about premarital sex. It's not as upfront about it as a modern film would be, but it's pretty obviously implied. Not to mention the cast: there's Dorris Day - isn't she a member of PETA? - and Rock Hudson (about whom nothing more has to be said.) − Don't get me wrong, I rather like the movie, but I'm not sure if its themes are appropriate for "Greatest Conservative Movies." [[User:JacobB|JacobB]] 17:26, 17 January 2010 (EST) − − : I doubt Hudson or Day wrote the script, which is what really counts. Any actor or actress could have filled those roles and Hudson and Day did not add anything significant. The script is anti-feminist, and no film can be made today like it. You make valid points about the sex but it is the anti-feminist nature of the movie that earns its consideration.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 17:51, 17 January 2010 (EST) − − == Dark Matter == − − Are there any sources for the claim that liberals first praised the movie, then panned it? If not, I'm going to toss that part out. [[User:JRobbe|JRobbe]] − − :Yes, the movie won an early film festival, as one would expect due to its star-studded casting, superb production, and intelligent scripting. Indeed, this movie was at the high level of Academy Award nominees. But the movie was subsequently panned by liberal reviewers and ostracized from the Academy Award contest.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 20:09, 19 January 2010 (EST) − − == Reorganization == − − If nobody minds, I think this list would be greatly improved if it were organized chronologically (or alphabetically, I guess). I started arranging things in chronological order and encourage anyone adding new films to please put them in order as well. This would be helpful for research purposes and general organization. Thanks! [[User:EMorris|EMorris]] 12:23, 11 June 2010 (EDT) − − :Thanks for your suggestion, but wouldn't ranking by significance make the most sense?--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 23:47, 11 June 2010 (EDT) − − :: I'll buy that, but significance is pretty subjective, isn't it? Also, a lot of these movies espouse different conservative values, so I feel like it's harder to say whether ''Bruce Almighty'' is more significant than ''Rocky,'' for example; they're cinematic apples and oranges. How would you suggest we define "significance" for this list? The simplest way would be to create categories for different conservative values, I guess. It's an interesting question. [[User:EMorris|EMorris]] 11:55, 14 June 2010 (EDT) − − ::: Sure, "significance" is subjective, but so is the officiating in the World Cup. It seems to me that a ranking based on significance, albeit somewhat subjective, is better than mixing the obscure with the profound. But I have an open mind about this.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 14:03, 14 June 2010 (EDT) − − :::: I'm not arguing that we could rank based on significance, just that it could be very messy. If you have an idea in mind for how to measure the significance, please post it! My only problem is that trying to rank by significance without providing a definition of significance will probably just lead to a ton of unproductive argument. [[User:EMorris|EMorris]] 16:10, 14 June 2010 (EDT)
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