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→‎The variability of the speed of light as a counterexample to relativity requires a 2-billion-year-old universe: A careful, objective scientist would express time in the distant past as a fraction
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:::So their entire conceptual framework is flawed, but their findings within a completely flawed framework are valid, only they can't see that their data--which relies on years measured in hard numbers--that gives them the correct findings is fundamentally flawed because of their conceptual framework? [[User:BrentH|BrentH]] 21:10, 26 August 2011 (EDT)
 
:::So their entire conceptual framework is flawed, but their findings within a completely flawed framework are valid, only they can't see that their data--which relies on years measured in hard numbers--that gives them the correct findings is fundamentally flawed because of their conceptual framework? [[User:BrentH|BrentH]] 21:10, 26 August 2011 (EDT)
 
::::Not their entire conceptual framework, just a specific aspect of it. They interpret various things wrongly to give an implausibly old age for the universe, but otherwise their observations and deductions are fairly sound. It's not all-or-nothing - we can work out which aspects of someone's work are valid and which aren't, rather than just accepting on faith that everything evolutionist scientists say is true. [[User:Jcw|Jcw]] 21:18, 26 August 2011 (EDT)
 
::::Not their entire conceptual framework, just a specific aspect of it. They interpret various things wrongly to give an implausibly old age for the universe, but otherwise their observations and deductions are fairly sound. It's not all-or-nothing - we can work out which aspects of someone's work are valid and which aren't, rather than just accepting on faith that everything evolutionist scientists say is true. [[User:Jcw|Jcw]] 21:18, 26 August 2011 (EDT)
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::::In addition to Jcw's insightful observation, note that the "2 billion year" figure is just a way of saying 1/6th the age of the universe.  It doesn't mean anything more than that.  A careful, objective scientist would express time in the distant past as a fraction of the universe's age, rather than speculating about the number of years.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 21:23, 26 August 2011 (EDT)
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== Groundwater and entropy ==
 
== Groundwater and entropy ==
  
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