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:Straightforwardly. The scientists who studied the changing speed of light are no doubt evolutionists, so they naturally think and speak in terms of an old universe. Their specific finding relating to the variability of the speed of light can be sound despite the false framework in which they understand it. [[User:Jcw|Jcw]] 21:07, 26 August 2011 (EDT)
 
:Straightforwardly. The scientists who studied the changing speed of light are no doubt evolutionists, so they naturally think and speak in terms of an old universe. Their specific finding relating to the variability of the speed of light can be sound despite the false framework in which they understand it. [[User:Jcw|Jcw]] 21:07, 26 August 2011 (EDT)
 
:::So their entire conceptual framework is flawed, but their findings within a completely flawed framework are valid, only they can't see that their data--which relies on years measured in hard numbers--that gives them the correct findings is fundamentally flawed because of their conceptual framework? [[User:BrentH|BrentH]] 21:10, 26 August 2011 (EDT)
 
:::So their entire conceptual framework is flawed, but their findings within a completely flawed framework are valid, only they can't see that their data--which relies on years measured in hard numbers--that gives them the correct findings is fundamentally flawed because of their conceptual framework? [[User:BrentH|BrentH]] 21:10, 26 August 2011 (EDT)
 
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::::Not their entire conceptual framework, just a specific aspect of it. They interpret various things wrongly to give an implausibly old age for the universe, but otherwise their observations and deductions are fairly sound. It's not all-or-nothing - we can work out which aspects of someone's work are valid and which aren't, rather than just accepting on faith that everything evolutionist scientists say is true. [[User:Jcw|Jcw]] 21:18, 26 August 2011 (EDT)
 
== Groundwater and entropy ==
 
== Groundwater and entropy ==
  
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