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Talk:Conservative Dictionary Project (M) (view source)
Revision as of 21:58, September 7, 2011
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:::::::::::The issue isn't necessarily what a liberal would want to define marriage as. It is the fact that it is a liberal position that marriage can be defined as anything the government wants. Do most liberals support legalization of marriage between a man and a beast? No. Do most liberals support the idea that marriage between a man and a beast could be legalized? Yes. Perhaps this differentiation may help unite the two sides of this debate.--[[User:GrahamB|GrahamB]] 16:46, 7 September 2011 (EDT)
:::::::::::The issue isn't necessarily what a liberal would want to define marriage as. It is the fact that it is a liberal position that marriage can be defined as anything the government wants. Do most liberals support legalization of marriage between a man and a beast? No. Do most liberals support the idea that marriage between a man and a beast could be legalized? Yes. Perhaps this differentiation may help unite the two sides of this debate.--[[User:GrahamB|GrahamB]] 16:46, 7 September 2011 (EDT)
::::::::::::Sharon, thank you for your attempt at getting Craig to argue the actual issues. You seem to be one of the more responsible people here on the site and I appreciate you maintaining the voice of reason.
::::::::::::Sharon, thank you for your attempt at getting Craig to argue the actual issues. You seem to be one of the more responsible people here on the site and I appreciate you maintaining the voice of reason.
::::::::::::Craig, again, I would like you to clarify your positions on animal husbandry. I will admit that this is a trick question, but still, I really wish you would simply answer my one simple question: Do you suppoort Animal Husbandry or not?
::::::::::::Craig, again, I would like you to clarify your positions on animal husbandry. I will admit that this is a trick question, but still, I really wish you would simply answer my one simple question: Do you suppoort Animal Husbandry or not?--[[User:JonnS|JonnS]] 17:58, 7 September 2011 (EDT)
:::::::::::::Sharon, John is a self admitted liberal, I don't know why you would side with him in project whose stated goal is to remove liberal bias from language. But it is nice to see you attacking me personally while telling me not to make things personal. GrahamB has said it better than I have, this is what I mean. Anyway, I already changed the wording but still you want to argue about it a typical liberal tactic. --[[User:CraigF|CraigF]] 16:59, 7 September 2011 (EDT)
:::::::::::::Sharon, John is a self admitted liberal, I don't know why you would side with him in project whose stated goal is to remove liberal bias from language. But it is nice to see you attacking me personally while telling me not to make things personal. GrahamB has said it better than I have, this is what I mean. Anyway, I already changed the wording but still you want to argue about it a typical liberal tactic. --[[User:CraigF|CraigF]] 16:59, 7 September 2011 (EDT)
:::::::::::::::CraigF - stating you dislike references and research when you've flat-out refuse to provide any is not a personal attack - it's the truth. And asking for civility isn't "taking sides". You've flung accusations at me before (calling me "anti-American" because of a discussion on Henry Ford), and I've completely lost patience with you. --[[User:SharonW|SharonW]] 17:06, 7 September 2011 (EDT)
:::::::::::::::CraigF - stating you dislike references and research when you've flat-out refuse to provide any is not a personal attack - it's the truth. And asking for civility isn't "taking sides". You've flung accusations at me before (calling me "anti-American" because of a discussion on Henry Ford), and I've completely lost patience with you. --[[User:SharonW|SharonW]] 17:06, 7 September 2011 (EDT)
::::::::::::::::::You don't call a spade a spade. When you're confronted with a demand for proof for your statements, you attack the person involved. You did this to me on the car articles - you called me stupid for insisting on references. JonnS (a name which you continue to misspell) politely requested references. There's no double standards here - right now I just want to see if you are willing to back up any of your statements. You might very well be right - prove it. --[[User:SharonW|SharonW]] 17:22, 7 September 2011 (EDT)
::::::::::::::::::You don't call a spade a spade. When you're confronted with a demand for proof for your statements, you attack the person involved. You did this to me on the car articles - you called me stupid for insisting on references. JonnS (a name which you continue to misspell) politely requested references. There's no double standards here - right now I just want to see if you are willing to back up any of your statements. You might very well be right - prove it. --[[User:SharonW|SharonW]] 17:22, 7 September 2011 (EDT)
:::::::::::::::::::Boy do you hold a grudge, that was weeks ago and now you are are here demanding references for obvious facts just to give me a hard time. Is there a single reference in the entire dictionary project? No. But if a liberal demands one I have to go running around to find one and stop adding entries just to satisfy him. This is how liberal bias gets created and it should stop here. I already changed the entry to appease a liberal which makes me kinda sick, but I did it so I could move on, but you insist on making a fight. I'll give you the last word. --[[User:CraigF|CraigF]] 17:29, 7 September 2011 (EDT)
:::::::::::::::::::Boy do you hold a grudge, that was weeks ago and now you are are here demanding references for obvious facts just to give me a hard time. Is there a single reference in the entire dictionary project? No. But if a liberal demands one I have to go running around to find one and stop adding entries just to satisfy him. This is how liberal bias gets created and it should stop here. I already changed the entry to appease a liberal which makes me kinda sick, but I did it so I could move on, but you insist on making a fight. I'll give you the last word. --[[User:CraigF|CraigF]] 17:29, 7 September 2011 (EDT)
Again, I have never debated that I am indeed a liberal. I'd go so far as to classify myself as a Socialist, Keynesian, who would like nothing more than to see the neo-liberal policies our country has put in place over the past 3 decades to be washed away. I am also an agnostic who doesn't care whether god exists or not, and who doesn't care what other people beliefs are so long as they are not imposed on me. Morally, I need no incentive to try to do good in the world, and take pride in trying to make the world a better place. If you feel the need to attack me, or question my views and values, feel free to do so on my talk page, although you should be prepared to back up your reasoning when doing so.
That being said, I am doing my very best to be civil, I believe Sharon is trying to be civil as well as well.
I would also like to take a moment to state that me and Sharon are not trying to team up on you. I have a feeling that Sharon and I would disagree on pretty much everything, however, she does take the time to back up her arguments which only strengthens the positions she takes on issues. Although I probably disagree with her, I respect her opinions and her right to keep those opinions.
On the other hand, Craig seems to have taken the position that since he is a conservative he is correct, either that, or he is a parodist. Actually, I think it is most likely that Craig is indeed a parodist, as he behaves exactly how a liberal characterization of a right wing extremist would act. I'm debating even mentioning this.
And again, Craig, yes it is a trick question, but I would love to know your position on animal husbandry. Take the time to look it up to better defend yourself from my "liberal trickery" but please answer me. Even a simple yes or no answer would do!--[[User:JonnS|JonnS]] 17:58, 7 September 2011 (EDT)