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Revision as of 01:29, September 30, 2011
, 01:29, September 30, 2011moving sections from andys Talk page to commun. portal, lets stop spamming andy folks, ok?
You are saying that [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]], [[User:DavidZa|DavidZa]], [[User:ThomasMacD|ThomasMacD]], [[User:SharonW|SharonW]], and [[User:ARamis|ARamis]] are vandals/atheists? [[User:JonG|~ ]][[User_talk:JonG|JonG]][[Special:Contributions/JonG| ~]] 12:09, 29 September 2011 (EDT)
You are saying that [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]], [[User:DavidZa|DavidZa]], [[User:ThomasMacD|ThomasMacD]], [[User:SharonW|SharonW]], and [[User:ARamis|ARamis]] are vandals/atheists? [[User:JonG|~ ]][[User_talk:JonG|JonG]][[Special:Contributions/JonG| ~]] 12:09, 29 September 2011 (EDT)
:I am getting tired of these false accusations: Proverbs 3:30, ''Do not accuse a man for no reason, when he has done you no harm''. [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 16:14, 29 September 2011 (EDT)
:I am getting tired of these false accusations: Proverbs 3:30, ''Do not accuse a man for no reason, when he has done you no harm''. [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 16:14, 29 September 2011 (EDT)
== Behaviour of Conservative (again) ==
Andy, Contrary to the wishes of every CP editor who has posted here, [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] has added some more disgusting articles about bestiality: [[Bestiality and Sweden]], [[Bestiality and Britain]] and (no joking) [[Denmark, Sweden, evolutionary belief and bestiality]]. What's more, he's protected these pages so no other editor can get rid of them. This whole stupid bestiality stunt by Conservative is making CP a complete and utter joke.
1. If I or any other editor blocks him for a short time to make him cool off, he'll simply revert the block. Will you please block him? Give him a week to get those animal images out of his head.
2. Will you please delete his disgusting pages on bestiality?
3. Will you please consider whether or not there's any point in a well-intentioned editor (like me) contributing to an encyclopedia which is just turning into a joke because of the deranged activities of an out-of-control editor who has a high level of administrator privilege? [[User:KhalidM|KhalidM]] 17:16, 29 September 2011 (EDT)
:First things first...
::1. You're going to successfully refute the bestiality edits posted. Either the individuals or countries cited have made claims pertaining to their support of bestiality, or they didn't.
::2. You're going to explain how yourself, a recent contributor to this website, can justify the removal of a senior administrator who has been here from the beginning; this explanation is contingent on you being able to satisfy condition number 1. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 17:37, 29 September 2011 (EDT)
:::1. These articles run contrary to the founding principles of this site in that they are utterly inappropriate for family viewing.
:::2. Personally I have no interest in "the removal" of User:Conservative, just some of his offensive articles.
:::Karajou, I urge you to move beyond a reflex defense of User:Conservative and to look at the harm being done to the reputation of this site. One of the reasons I have used Conservapedia as a reference instead of Wikipedia is that it doesn't contain references to extreme deviance. These latest articles violate that principle. [[User:RobertE|RobertE]] 17:44, 29 September 2011 (EDT)
::::And what harm is that? What harm is actually being done to this website? What exactly is the harm that this website is engaging in by telling the public about a disgusting sexual practice and those who promote it? [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 17:50, 29 September 2011 (EDT)
:::::::I can help with number one in that [[Bestiality and Britain]] doesn't have any mention of Britian and actually pertains to a British study of Sweden and has nothing to do with Britain - hence should be deleted. Also, [[Atheism and bestiality]] again says nothing of atheists - the only connection is that Peter Singer himself is an atheist. I actually can't check any deeper as I am on a shared network and don't want these articles on the logs. [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 17:45, 29 September 2011 (EDT)
::::1a. Well, I have no direct information about the claims of bestiality of course, not least because no hard, verifiable data is given in any of the articles Conservative cites.
::::1b. Bestiality is illegal in Britain, unlike in many US states - including some of the most conservative states such as Alabama. Would you like me to add an article about "The USA, conservatives and bestiality" just because some weirdo in Alabama might be doing it with a dog? That makes as much sense as Conservative's stupid articles about atheists and bestiality.
::::2. Because this senior administrator is completely out of control, making a total mockery of the website. Think about it for a microsecond - please... He clearly needs a cooling-off period to stop thinking about such weird stuff, let alone putting on a website which is supposed to be family-friendly. Some of the other senior administrators need to get a grip. [[User:KhalidM|KhalidM]] 17:52, 29 September 2011 (EDT)
:::::You have ''"no direct information about the claims of bestiality"'', by admission, so all of this is just another attack on Conservative by whiners who cannot or will not offer anything beyong whines and rants, and this has been going on in one form or another by select individuals for years. My message is simple: it stops NOW. You're going to respect him, or you're going to leave. Period. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 18:03, 29 September 2011 (EDT)
::::::I am not going to mention Conservative but, Karajou, I would like to point out my comment above - particularly as you said ''the individuals or countries cited have made claims pertaining to their support of bestiality, or they didn't.'' The Britain article says nothing about the practice in Britain. [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 18:12, 29 September 2011 (EDT)
:::::::If Conservative - or any other user - is wrong, then you ''politely'' say so, provide evidence to back up your claims, and then drop the subject. That is how it works here. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 18:26, 29 September 2011 (EDT)
::::::::That is what I have already done I thought? The [[Bestiality and Britain]] article does not mention bestiality practices in Britain hence needs to be renamed or removed. thanks, [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 18:29, 29 September 2011 (EDT)
:::::::::Karajou, the guiding principles of the site take precedence over everything else here, except the Word of our Lord. I quote from the [[Conservapedia:Commandments]]:
::::::::::''"Everything you post must be true and verifiable"'' - people have already pointed out that "Conservative"'s study is neither of these.
::::::::::''"Any content you create ... must be family-friendly"'' - these articles '''clearly''' are not family-friendly.
:::::::::In other words, these new articles by "Conservative" are in violation of two of the founding principles of this site. By your own standards, they must be deleted. I'm afraid that the onus is upon '''you''' to explain why these articles remain, in violation of the standards defined by the site's owner. [[User:RobertE|RobertE]] 18:50, 29 September 2011 (EDT)
I think that it is very disrespectful to keep bringing this debate to Andy talk page. It is obvious that he does not want to get involved in this, and you should respect his decision. --[[User:AlejandroH|AlejandroH]] 18:55, 29 September 2011 (EDT)
:Max, Is the Bible family friendly? What are your thoughts about these verses of the Bible: Exodus 22:19, Leviticus 18:23, Leviticus 20:15 and Deuteronomy 27:21 ? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 20:45, 29 September 2011 (EDT)
::Well, that is a slightly facetious argument. You can't compare the Bible, and the laws of God, to Conservapedia firstly and secondly Conservapedia, unlike the Bible, has an explicit Family Friendly rule. And please address the fact that [[Bestiality and Britain]] has no mention of Bestiality and Britain. Just to be clear - my quarrel isn't with you ''personally'' but at the poor scholarship. [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 20:53, 29 September 2011 (EDT)
::::Khalid, atheism is madness and immorality is commonly associated with atheism. When people read about topics such atheism, it is not surprising to many people to read about odd/bizarre/weird things and people committing sinful acts. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 20:58, 29 September 2011 (EDT)
:::::The history of liberal opposition to my articles [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vS8rpt1y6lk&feature=related reminds me of someone.] :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 21:12, 29 September 2011 (EDT)
:::::::Just because someone has problems with your articles doesn't make them a liberal. [[User:BrentH|BrentH]] 21:14, 29 September 2011 (EDT)
== Andy, are you reading your Talk page? ==
If so, please read the section above (Behaviour of Conservative) and please take a decision on which way you want CP to go: family-friendly encyclopedia or weirdo blog. [[User:KhalidM|KhalidM]] 18:08, 29 September 2011 (EDT)
:That's very black and white. When making an argument try to avoid those.--[[User:SeanS|SeanS]] 18:16, 29 September 2011 (EDT)
::::Khalid, atheism is madness and immorality is commonly associated with atheism. When people read about topics such atheism, it is not surprising to many people to read about odd/bizarre/weird things and people committing sinful acts. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 20:58, 29 September 2011 (EDT)
:::::Can this section be removed? It is a waste of space since I'm sure Mr. Schlafly reads his own talk page. [[User:JonG|~ ]][[User_talk:JonG|JonG]][[Special:Contributions/JonG| ~]] 21:16, 29 September 2011 (EDT)
Why don't we move this entire discussion to the Community Portal? I am sure Mr. Schlafly doesn't appreciate all the bickering on his talk page.--[[User:JamesWilson|James Wilson]] 21:23, 29 September 2011 (EDT)