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!John 3:16

!rowspan="2"|John 3:16

|For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.   

|rowspan="2"|For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.   

|For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.  

|rowspan="2"|For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.  

|For God so loved the [people in the] world that He gave His Unique Son, so that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life.

|rowspan="2"|For God so loved the [people in the] world that He gave His Unique Son, so that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life.

|the bracketed bit seems to be clumsy, and it's impossible to read aloud... But more to the point ''unique Son'' (why ''Unique''? Are all attributes to the Lord to be capitalized?) isn't as good as ''one and only'': υἱός μονογενής generally refers to a single child.

|rowspan="1"|the bracketed bit seems to be clumsy, and it's impossible to read aloud... But more to the point ''unique Son'' (why ''Unique''? Are all attributes to the Lord to be capitalized?) isn't as good as ''one and only'': υἱός μονογενής generally refers to a single child.

|There is no problem reading the CBP version aloud, and it properly clarifies that God's love is for the people, not the world.  The older translations now have an environmentalist spin due to changing meaning for the term "world".  The capitalization is because Jesus is God; the "unique" conveys the significance better than "one and only" (which leaves the possibility of God having a daughter, or that Jesus was not unique).

|rowspan="1"|There is no problem reading the CBP version aloud, and it properly clarifies that God's love is for the people, not the world.  The older translations now have an environmentalist spin due to changing meaning for the term "world".  The capitalization is because Jesus is God; the "unique" conveys the significance better than "one and only" (which leaves the possibility of God having a daughter, or that Jesus was not unique).

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!John 1:1

!John 1:1

[[User:ErnestO|ErnestO]] 07:57, 26 October 2011 (EDT) (AugustO)

[[User:ErnestO|ErnestO]] 07:57, 26 October 2011 (EDT) (AugustO)

:::ErnestO seems to be correct in a lot of instances.  For example, as far as Romans 3:23, the New Testament generally refers to Christians as saints and not sinners.  For example, the Apostle Paul when writing to various churches refers to believers as saints and not sinners.  For more information, please see: http://www.bereanpublishers.com/Important_Issues/are_christians_sinners_or_saints.htm#_Toc499463048  This is an example of why it is helpful to know about theology and ANE culture when translating.  I don't have time to get into why ANE culture applies to translating the Romans 3:23 verse.  Again, I recommend that if the CBP doesn't make significant changes on how its done and step up its game that it should be deleted. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 11:22, 26 October 2011 (EDT)

:::ErnestO seems to be correct in a lot of instances.  For example, as far as Romans 3:23, the New Testament generally refers to Christians as saints and not sinners.  For example, the Apostle Paul when writing to various churches refers to believers as saints and not sinners.  For more information, please see: http://www.bereanpublishers.com/Important_Issues/are_christians_sinners_or_saints.htm#_Toc499463048  This is an example of why it is helpful to know about theology and ANE culture when translating.  I don't have time to get into why ANE culture applies to translating the Romans 3:23 verse.  Again, I recommend that if the CBP doesn't make significant changes on how its done and step up its game that it should be deleted. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 11:22, 26 October 2011 (EDT)