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Talk:John 8-14 (Translated) (view source)
Revision as of 15:05, November 14, 2011
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:I was talking to my wife today about how the words "commandment," "command" and "rule" are understood in modern American culture. All of them seem to carry the idea that if you need to make a "rule" or a "command," it is only because the one who you are giving it to is disinclined to obey. The problem is that this is NOT the case with Jesus and the Father, and it is often not the case with believers. Jesus WANTED to obey His Father, and we often (or maybe sometimes) WANT to obey Jesus. Anyway, we were tossing around words that might have a more neutral, or even positive meaning for modern audiences, and she suggested "directive." I really like that, so as of this moment, I intend to go back and substitute "directive" for "rule" or "command" in places where the ones involved are Jesus, the Father, and believers.--[[User:MBack|Michael Back]] 19:59, 18 March 2010 (EDT)
:I was talking to my wife today about how the words "commandment," "command" and "rule" are understood in modern American culture. All of them seem to carry the idea that if you need to make a "rule" or a "command," it is only because the one who you are giving it to is disinclined to obey. The problem is that this is NOT the case with Jesus and the Father, and it is often not the case with believers. Jesus WANTED to obey His Father, and we often (or maybe sometimes) WANT to obey Jesus. Anyway, we were tossing around words that might have a more neutral, or even positive meaning for modern audiences, and she suggested "directive." I really like that, so as of this moment, I intend to go back and substitute "directive" for "rule" or "command" in places where the ones involved are Jesus, the Father, and believers.--[[User:MBack|Michael Back]] 19:59, 18 March 2010 (EDT)
== John 20:27 ==
''a challenging verse to translate, as English has no term for several Greek terms here; χείρ means anything that helps, including hand and/or wrist, and should be translated as "wrist" here because modern anatomy (and the Shroud of Turin) demonstrates the nails must have through the wrists to hold the weight of the body and prevent the victim from escaping. ''
On the other hand, there was a Greek word for wrist - καρπός (other meaning: fruit). So it seems that John intentionally used χείρ at two places in this verse: first as ''see my hands'' (ἴδε τὰς χεῖρας μου), then in ''bring your hands'' (φέρε τὴν χεῖρα σου). I think the translation should reflect this symmetry. [[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 10:05, 14 November 2011 (EST)