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Line 119: − − ==Who's gay?== − − Can you help me define terms like "[[homosexual]]"? There seems to be an idea that [[men who have sex with men]] do not necessarily "have a [[homosexual identity]]" or "do not consider themselves homosexual". What does this mean? Is it mere [[denial]], or what? --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 22:15, 25 October 2011 (EDT) − :It means these people don't wish to define themselves as homosexual, and don't want to be associated with any stereotypes that come with it. "Men who have sex with men" are just that, nothing more. Perhaps they resent being associated with more flamboyant gays, or maybe they reject labeling altogether. I can understand the sentiment. --[[User:CamilleT|CamilleT]] 23:20, 25 October 2011 (EDT) − :::Or it could mean men who are coerced into having sex with men for any one of a variety of reasons, or men who have sex with men in order to pay the bills and not out of a desire for gratification, or men who have sex with men only because they have no access to women; in all of these cases, men could be having sex with other men without necessarily identifying as homosexuals. [[User:ScottDG|ScottDG]] 00:00, 26 October 2011 (EDT)
→Who's gay?: Doesn't need to be on my talk page, don't know why it was brought here in the first place
:::It's annoying, but it also gives me something to do to pass the time: revert their juvenile nonsense and report to their ISPs. Hopefully some day I'll prove myself enough for Andy to give me checkuser; I'm perfectly okay with asking the senior admins for the logs, but it'd be easier if I had checkuser myself. But I don't ever see us being vandal free; there's always going to be eleven year olds that hear that they can change the contents of wikis and get inspired to mess around. [[User:DMorris|DMorris]] 13:53, 15 October 2011 (EDT)
:::It's annoying, but it also gives me something to do to pass the time: revert their juvenile nonsense and report to their ISPs. Hopefully some day I'll prove myself enough for Andy to give me checkuser; I'm perfectly okay with asking the senior admins for the logs, but it'd be easier if I had checkuser myself. But I don't ever see us being vandal free; there's always going to be eleven year olds that hear that they can change the contents of wikis and get inspired to mess around. [[User:DMorris|DMorris]] 13:53, 15 October 2011 (EDT)
::::Yeah, that's true: there will always be liberal vandals trying to attack the site. I do hope you can become an Administrator eventually; you seem to be really good at what you do. I've been trying to get image uploading privileges here for a while, so good luck!--[[User:JamesWilson|James Wilson]] 14:01, 15 October 2011 (EDT)
::::Yeah, that's true: there will always be liberal vandals trying to attack the site. I do hope you can become an Administrator eventually; you seem to be really good at what you do. I've been trying to get image uploading privileges here for a while, so good luck!--[[User:JamesWilson|James Wilson]] 14:01, 15 October 2011 (EDT)