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Talk:Hillary Rodham Clinton (view source)
Revision as of 21:49, January 22, 2012
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::::::Considering the front page is calling the Gingrich "open marriage" accusation "gossip," the level of hypocrisy and cognitive dissonance required to sustain similar material on another page is staggering. [[User:ScottDG|ScottDG]] 16:43, 20 January 2012 (EST)
::::::Considering the front page is calling the Gingrich "open marriage" accusation "gossip," the level of hypocrisy and cognitive dissonance required to sustain similar material on another page is staggering. [[User:ScottDG|ScottDG]] 16:43, 20 January 2012 (EST)
:::::::Bullocks. These sources point out the coiners of the this neologism did not necessarily refer to extra-marital affairs. There is no doubt the Clinton's have practiced an open marriage both on the sexual plane ''and'' in the sense the original authors intended ([http://books.google.com/books/about/Open_marriage.html?id=dDNHAAAAMAAJ ''"the book is not necessarily about open sexual relationships, but more about trust and allowing one's life partner to be their own individual,"''] and [http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/31/magazine/31o_neill.t.html ''"an open marriage might or might not include “sexual openness"'']). In the Gingrich case, "open marriage" clearly is intended to be slanderous, but that is not the issue here nor related to the Hillary Clinton bio. [[User:RobSmith|Rob Smith]] 16:09, 22 January 2012 (EST)
:::::::Bullocks. These sources point out the coiners of the this neologism did not necessarily refer to extra-marital affairs. There is no doubt the Clinton's have practiced an open marriage both on the sexual plane ''and'' in the sense the original authors intended ([http://books.google.com/books/about/Open_marriage.html?id=dDNHAAAAMAAJ ''"the book is not necessarily about open sexual relationships, but more about trust and allowing one's life partner to be their own individual,"''] and [http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/31/magazine/31o_neill.t.html ''"an open marriage might or might not include “sexual openness"'']). In the Gingrich case, "open marriage" clearly is intended to be slanderous, but that is not the issue here nor related to the Hillary Clinton bio. [[User:RobSmith|Rob Smith]] 16:09, 22 January 2012 (EST)
:::::::::So when Newt Gingrich's ex-wife reports that he asked her for an open marriage while having an affair with a staffer, an affair he acknowledges was occurring, that is slanderous gossip. But when a publication takes hearsay evidence and decides to characterize someone's marriage as open, when the clear definition of an open marriage requires that the activities of the spouses be open and consented to by both partners, that is responsible fact checking that belongs in this encyclopedia.
I will say it again: Bill Clinton CHEATED on his wife. Hillary Clinton probably had some idea for a long time, but there is no reason to believe that she gave Bill explicit permission to have affairs with other women. They did not have an open marriage, they had a dishonest monogamous marriage, and your attempt to characterize it as open is not only factually wrong, it also minimizes the gravity of Bill Clinton's behavior, by making it sound like he was not sneaking around,which he was. [[User:RachelW|RachelW]] 16:49, 22 January 2012 (EST)