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::Your next points, are valid, but they are only valid in a rebuttal sense.  They do nothing to provide support for your thesis that atheists and Christians differ in their support for underdogs.  I would say that as for NZ it has been 15 years since we have had a theist of any variety as Prime Minister (and standards have slipped markedly in that time!)  

::Your next points, are valid, but they are only valid in a rebuttal sense.  They do nothing to provide support for your thesis that atheists and Christians differ in their support for underdogs.  I would say that as for NZ it has been 15 years since we have had a theist of any variety as Prime Minister (and standards have slipped markedly in that time!)  

::Let me approach this in a different way.  When did you first know that atheists don't support underdogs in the same way as Christians?  Was it in an article you read, or something someone told you?  Or was it something you realised for yourself after noticing a general trend?  Perhaps if we work out why you think its true we might be able to gather some evidence for it -positive or negative.  I have an open mind on this, but we do need to see some form of evidence.  --[[User:DamianJohn|DamianJohn]] 01:38, 7 February 2012 (EST)

::Let me approach this in a different way.  When did you first know that atheists don't support underdogs in the same way as Christians?  Was it in an article you read, or something someone told you?  Or was it something you realised for yourself after noticing a general trend?  Perhaps if we work out why you think its true we might be able to gather some evidence for it -positive or negative.  I have an open mind on this, but we do need to see some form of evidence.  --[[User:DamianJohn|DamianJohn]] 01:38, 7 February 2012 (EST)

:::Andy - fan conduct at a stadium is what brought this discussion about, is it not? [[User:Bobson|Bobson]] 07:56, 7 February 2012 (EST)

:::Andy - fan conduct at a stadium is what brought this discussion about, is it not? You wrote this article to illustrate your own point about atheist fans at the Superbowl. Please tell me, how do we tell when "fan conduct is ... relative" and when it is not? [[User:Bobson|Bobson]] 07:56, 7 February 2012 (EST)

== Is this serious? ==

== Is this serious? ==

If this page had not been added by Aschlafly I would propose speedy deletion as obvious parody.  To suggest that people in the UK do not support the underdog shows a lamentable lack of knowledge of the British and of UK culture in general. [[User:Davidspencer|Davidspencer]] 03:16, 7 February 2012 (EST)

If this page had not been added by Aschlafly I would propose speedy deletion as obvious parody.  To suggest that people in the UK do not support the underdog shows a lamentable lack of knowledge of the British and of UK culture in general. [[User:Davidspencer|Davidspencer]] 03:16, 7 February 2012 (EST)